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lagatta
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posted 03 August 2003 07:55 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The new BBC Paris correspondent on the smells of her latest city. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3118231.stm I'm sure some of our well-travelled babblers would have sensory cityscapes from many other places. Mohammad Khan? (And for once I can call upon Mishei and satana without having them at each other's throats ).
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pity sing
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posted 03 August 2003 08:39 PM      Profile for pity sing        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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And that is when you can smell Parisians on their way to work.
They wear more perfume and aftershave than Londoners, or indeed Muscovites do, and they are smarter, too.

Hmmmm...I'm not sure how to take this. Is it a good thing that you can smell the Parisians on their way to work? And why do they wear more perfume and aftershave than Londoners or Muscovites? Optional bathing? I assume that "smarter" is being used in the Brit. sense, as in "better dressed" rather than more intelligent.

[ 03 August 2003: Message edited by: pity sing ]


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lagatta
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posted 03 August 2003 09:10 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course it is in the British sense, it's the BBC. What else would "smart" mean in that context? Duh...

The old canard about Parisians not bathing dates back to postwar plumbing, and is maintained by anglo chauvinism. I take it you are not familiar with modern Paris...

Methinks perhaps your horizons could do with a bit of broadening, eh?


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posted 03 August 2003 09:54 PM      Profile for pity sing        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Been to Paris several times. Enjoyed it immensely. My horizons are quite okay, thank you!

2. Thought the writer might be saying that it is smarter (ie. more intelligent) to use more perfume and aftershave. Seeing that many people are allergic to such fragrances, I guess I was just wondering whether it was indeed "smarter" to slather them on. But I see your point -- the writer is talking about style.

3. I don't believe, for a moment, that standards of personal hygiene drop once one crosses the Channel (or the Atlantic, for what it's worth). I guess I just get suspicious when lots of fragrance is applied by men or women -- sometimes it IS used to cover things up ....

4. Enjoyed the article -- interesting perspective!


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lagatta
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posted 03 August 2003 10:07 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hate perfume. Interestingly, so do most of my friends in Paris. They see it as "beauf", the French equivalent of sort of tacky, or red or neck

I didn't really think you were red of neck, but sometimes you put on such a persona - wonder why?


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pity sing
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posted 03 August 2003 10:16 PM      Profile for pity sing        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hate to bring this up, lagatta, but Le Figaro came up with these "hygiene" stats:

http://www.s-t.com/daily/11-98/11-26-98/a10li034.htm


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posted 04 August 2003 01:52 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I hate to bring this up, lagatta...

I doubt it.


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pity sing
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posted 04 August 2003 02:30 AM      Profile for pity sing        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey 'lance -- since you asked for it...

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In the late 20th century, 96 percent of the French live in homes equipped with showers or baths, even more than those with bidets. But only 47 percent bathe every day, according to a roundup of national surveys published in the daily Le Figaro last week

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posted 04 August 2003 02:38 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Hey 'lance -- since you asked for it...

I didn't. Unlike you, I don't care.

quote:
Been to Paris several times. Enjoyed it immensely.

Would that be on behalf of the CBC, by chance?

[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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pity sing
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posted 04 August 2003 02:42 AM      Profile for pity sing        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No. Unfortunately, I had to do it on my own nickel (yet it was worth every nickel, and then some...)
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posted 04 August 2003 03:10 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does "bathe" refer strictly to taking a bath or also a shower?
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posted 04 August 2003 01:46 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One smell that means England to me right away, whether I arrive by air or sea, is petrol. I dunno what they put in their gas, but it has a smell like nothing else I've ever encountered. It is most intense in London, but also at the ferry ports.

Oddly enough, I don't get hit by the same smell when I fly in to Scotland. They must be using the same petrol, no? But Edinburgh doesn't smell like London, and Scottish ports don't smell like Dover or Plymouth.


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posted 04 August 2003 04:08 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it a sulphur smell, skdadl? If so, it could be diesel. Perhaps there's more bus and truck, er, lorry traffic around London, Dover and Plymouth.
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Now there's a thought, 'lance. I wouldn't have said sulphur -- I would have said ... London! But that could explain it.

(I note when I go back to read the opening link -- shame on me for posting before reading -- that the writer there, a Londoner, admits that petrol is the smell she associates first with London.)

Thing is, there are a LOT of lorries heading out of the Scottish fishing ports down to London. You will find this out if you go to stay in a rustic Scottish fishing port, expecting delicious fresh fish for your suppers. You will go to the picturesque docks and watch the picturesque fishing boats sailing in for the day -- and unloading their catches directly into enormous refrigerator lorries bound for London!

(You will only be able to witness this sight if you have not already been killed by a head-on collision with one of those lorries on the single-track road heading into the picturesque fishing village, which the lorries negotiate with terrifying speed.)

If there's a good local restaurant or two, sure, the padrone will have managed to snaggle a few fish for the visitors for supper. Bribing him ahead of time can't hurt.


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posted 04 August 2003 08:41 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Now there's a thought, 'lance. I wouldn't have said sulphur -- I would have said ... London!

Mwahahaha! Dark Satanic town, hey?

I don't recall a petrol smell, but London did seem a sooty place to me. Assuming they don't burn much coal there any more, diesel would be the likeliest culprit.

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Thing is, there are a LOT of lorries heading out of the Scottish fishing ports down to London.

I'm sure. Meanwhile, there must be a double LOT of lorries heading to and from Dover and Portsmouth, especially Dover in these Chunnel days. Lorries coming from the ports bringing steel from Germany, or like as not Korea these days, cars from Japan, electronics from Indonesia, cheese and butter from France, and so on. And lorries going to the ports bringing... bringing... ah, just what does Britain export these days? Apart from those fish from Scotland?


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