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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 30 July 2007 02:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stargazer: Prostitution is an uncomfortable issue to discuss, especially because at the core the issue is autonomy.
This definitely one issue in which the risks to society at large have to be weighed with an eye to the long term implications. In this case, we have to weigh the disease risks to the participants and their impacts on the healthcare system AND the violence risks against the loss of autonomy of self. I'll always come down on the side of Autonomy.
From: Edmonton: This place sucks | Registered: Jun 2003
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remind
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posted 30 July 2007 05:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Fidel: I agree with this. People and children have been selling themselves since before Dickensian times in London, and the core issue is poverty.
Sex for sale is the old profession, where you get Dickens time from i do not know. quote: Every person should own the basic right to exist without having to resort to such spirit-killing practices as selling their bodies to be exploited by complete strangers.
Excuse me, but people's bodies are exploited no matter the profession, you can work in a lumber mill or factory for 20-30 bucks and hour and you are still being exploited for your body's use. Only you are paid less than sexual prostitution. And a good many prostitutes who take their profession seriously would NOT agree with your summation of "spirit-killing" activity. quote: I think it must a difficult, soul-destroying decision to sell tenderness for the ability to pay rent, put food on the table and send kids to school with full stomachs and clothes on their backs.
Do not confuse tenderness with sex thanks. Making love is much different that selling sexual skill. There is not 1 thing wrong with selling sexual skill and it is no different that one selling any other kind of skill one has. The problems come into effect when pimps and sex to support addictions come into play. And of course not safe spaces to conduct the trade.
From: "watching the tide roll away" | Registered: Jun 2004
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Fidel
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posted 30 July 2007 06:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by remind: Sex for sale is the old profession, where you get Dickens time from i do not know.
It was merely to illustrate a point about poverty and prostitution. In Dickens' London, children dredged the Thames for lumps of coal fallen from barges. They sold ham sandwiches, and they sold themselves to upstanding citizens and pillars of London society. For some, prostitution is something they learn to do before they become fully developed adults. In Mel Hurtig's book, "Pay the Rent or Feed the Kids", he recounts a discreet interview with municipal cops in "a major Canadian city." Apparently they had a child younger than 14 years held in a safe house for her own protection. Another was hoarding frozen peas under her bed at night. Our child poverty rates across Canada are a national disgrace in a comparison of richest countries. quote: Do not confuse tenderness with sex thanks. Making love is much different that selling sexual skill. There is not 1 thing wrong with selling sexual skill and it is no different that one selling any other kind of skill one has.
I was trying to make a point not to confuse tenderness with sex. I realize some people prefer selling sex to other forms of day labour, but not all people. It's about paying the rent and putting food on the table for most prostitutes by what I can tell. Not all of us think that sexual intimacy is something that young women, girls or boys should have to resort to in order to pay exorbitant rent, or pay for childcare while working at any paying job, or in order to avoid struggling at or anywhere below the poverty line in general. There are so many of Canada's most vulnerable citizens who need not be living in poverty if Ottawa and provinces were to deliver as progressive a policies as exist in other advanced democracies today. Lots of people work shit jobs, and not all prostitutes ply that trade because they love their work, is what I should have said.
From: Viva La Revolución | Registered: Apr 2004
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remind
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posted 31 July 2007 07:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Fidel: It's about paying the rent and putting food on the table for most prostitutes by what I can tell.
Exactly, the same as any other job then eh?! You are imposing a stigma upon those who sell sexual skills. quote: Not all of us think that sexual intimacy is something that young women, girls or boys should have to resort to in order to pay exorbitant rent, or pay for childcare while working at any paying job, or in order to avoid struggling at or anywhere below the poverty line in general.
I agree with your poverty points and the issues of poverty and those affected, Fidel, but this thread is not about poverty and the 2 should not be conflated. quote: Lots of people work shit jobs, and not all prostitutes ply that trade because they love their work, is what I should have said.
Just as not all people love their shit jobs Fidel. People need to get entrenched stigmas out of their ideology so that prostitution can become a regulated trade the same as any other.
From: "watching the tide roll away" | Registered: Jun 2004
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Fidel
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posted 31 July 2007 09:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by remind:
Okay, I am so not into 2 men have a pissing contest in the feminist forum. Poverty needs to be eliminated,
That's all from me in this, the feminist forum. Carry on.
From: Viva La Revolución | Registered: Apr 2004
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jrose
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posted 31 July 2007 09:53 AM
quote: Okay, I am so not into 2 men have a pissing contest in the feminist forum.Poverty needs to be eliminated, I have not noticed heywood denying that. However, sex as a trade will not stop if poverty is eliminated or decreased. It is a viable trade. Now child prostitution is much a signal of poverty, as it is of greed, or pedeophilia.
Thanks, remind. Can you all please remember what forum you are in, and refrain from both personal attacks and provoking each other. Thank you.
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arborman
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posted 31 July 2007 11:17 AM
I certainly don't like prostitution. It depresses me when I see the women in my neighbourhood working the streets. And I simply do not understand the motivation of men who hire them.That said, my personal feelings are irrelevant, and I would not dream of telling or suggesting to a woman or man that they should not or could not be a prostitute (or other sex worker). It's just not my, nor anyone else's, job to tell grown adults what to do with their bodies, in any circumstances. With that in mind, I support almost all efforts to make the sex trade safer and as non-exploitive as possible. I particularly support initiatives that are built and run by current and former practitioners (like PACE and Pivot Legal Society. I think we have a long way to go in Canada before the sex trade is what it should be - a simple and safe transaction between social and economic equals. I don't really know how to get there.
From: I'm a solipsist - isn't everyone? | Registered: Aug 2003
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