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prince
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posted 27 September 2001 07:43 PM      Profile for prince     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Canadian competition Bureau has issued a new guide for pet food labeling and advertising.
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Jared
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posted 29 September 2001 03:09 AM      Profile for Jared     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My dog won't give a shit...she'll eat anything! Hell, she ate a rotting dead trout when I took her camping in late August...
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WingNut
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posted 29 September 2001 03:22 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And why will dogs roll in dead things?
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nonsuch
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posted 30 September 2001 01:19 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to science, dogs roll in dead things - also cow-pats - in order to disguise their scent, the better to sneak up on live things. Personally, i believe it's because they're nuts.

Mine won't eat canned food, given a choice - i guess they already knew what's in there, without reading the label.
What they get is the cheapest kibble (mostly soy-meal) mixed with an equal amount of cooked rice (because one of them had terrible gas from too much protien - it works!), topped with a half cup of soup, which i cook from chicken (deboned, of course) or liver. Not that much work, way cheaper than commercial food, and my dogs are thriving.
The cats get the same soup.
Just thought i'd mention that, in case anyone wants to try it.


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'lance
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posted 30 September 2001 02:11 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
topped with a half cup of soup, which i cook from chicken (deboned, of course)

Actually, according to a woman in East Van who sells "natural" dog and cat food, they can eat chicken bones or any kind of bones and take no harm at all, so long as the chicken or whatever is uncooked.

It's only when the chicken is cooked, she says, that the bones become splintery and dangers. Eating an uncooked chicken is positively good for the animal, especially for its teeth.

Do you know why cats bury their excrement?

Is it because they don't want predators to know they're around, or because they don't want to tip off their prey?

I've noticed that whenever we clean out the litterbox, the cats immediately come in and scratch around in it. They don't need to go, necessarily, but they seem concerned that everything be just so.

[ September 30, 2001: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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nonsuch
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posted 01 October 2001 01:03 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About the chicken bones - maybe so, but i'm not feeding anybody raw chicken. Have you smelled a zoo lately? They'd bury half, wait for it ripen, then try to bring it in the house. Besides, it goes a lot farther, cooked in plenty of water.

Cats do like their fresh box! Maybe just for the aesthetics? Guess i ought to go clean it. Sigh...


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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2001 08:24 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Cats do like their fresh box! Maybe just for the aesthetics?

I would too if I were a cat!

After all, I like a clean toilet (or as John on Ally McBeal would say, "I like a fresh bowl.") Snerk. Now I've done it. Now you all know my dirty TV secret.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 01 October 2001 02:26 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Now I've done it. Now you all know my dirty TV secret.


Just say that the only reason you watch it is because you're a big Peter McNichol fan. Then I'll be able to forgive the transgression.


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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2001 03:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, he's the best on the show. Ally is ultra-annoying. However, I didn't watch it at all last year or even this season. I guess I just kind of got busy. It used to be something my husband and I did together every Monday. Maybe that's why.

What does this have to do with pets? NOTHING! (Sorry, the Queen of Off-Topic Posts does it again...)

Argh, flood control is starting to get annoying.


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Trinitty
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posted 31 October 2001 02:09 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, I just thought I'd share a link with those cat-loving babblers... DrC.

I make my cat's food. It's raw chicken meat, liver, heart, and a bunch of supplements all designed to mimick their natural prey, mice and fowl, that they have evolved to eat. Best possible preventative healthcare for your feline companions.

It's a really eye-opening thing when you start reading about the pet food industry.
www.felinefuture.com

They're Canadian and from Saltspring Island.... which is just plain cool.

You don't need to buy their supplements, they give you the recipe for free.

Enjoy!


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 31 October 2001 03:05 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canadian Veterinary Medical Association's pet-care information site. Lots of info about nutrition here.
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Trinitty
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posted 31 October 2001 03:33 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No offense M'boy, but that site is really not a great one for nutrition. Most vets only get TWO weeks of training for Nutrition, and that covers everything from hamsters to horses.

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Problems can and do occur if raw foods are fed. For example, meats should not be fed raw because of the danger of transmitting parasites (e.g. toxoplasmosis) and harmful bacteria (e.g. Salmonella, E.coli, Enterobacter, Pseudomonas, etc.). In addition, studies show that most dogs and cats prefer cooked meat. However, also be aware of the fact that commercial pet foods are of exceptional quality and value, and that most of the "bad press" they receive is unwarranted and unjustified.


This is absolute CRAP. Anyone wanna guess who bank-rolls the vets knowledge of pet food with trips and perks? It's almost identical to the problems we have with docs and pharmasutical (sp) companies. Do cats cook their mice? Did cats and dogs discover fire during their history and cook their food? Of course not. There are essential enzymes that are LOST when you cook the meat. Humans have been cooking their food for a long, long time, and our immunity to these parasites has plummeted as a result. Obligate carnivores do not naturally eat cooked meat. They aren't NEARLY as succeptable to salmonella and other parasites, they eat them everyday if you let your pet outside.

Deficiencies can occur in some "homemade" diets, but that umbrella includes idiots that put their cats on vegetarian diets. If you have a balanced formula specifically made for the feline animal you can't go wrong.

Most commercial kibble has rice and corn in it. Cat's cannot digest these things. The only grains and grasses they ever eat naturally are the tiny amounts found in the gut of mice and birds.

On top of that, cats are usually chronically dehydrated if they eat kibble. They don't drink enough water to compensate for the dryness of the food. They are "programmed" to get their moisture from the meat they eat. This is the root cause of the VAST majority of kidney and urinary tract problems.

I could go on for pages. Don't rely on conventional Vets for nutritional information unless they have a specialty in it... and if they do, trust me, they don't recommend commercial pet food, especially dry. Some canned foods are okay. Consult a naturopath or homeopath vet if you can't find a specialized one. If they are selling dried food in their waiting room, that's a good indicator that they are unaware of this issue.

[ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Trinitty ]


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