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lagatta
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posted 16 April 2004 12:52 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the spirit of extreme sports, or babble banter! Discuss extreme feminism from a pro-extreme-feminist perspective!

Have fun, ladies and gents!


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jeff house
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posted 16 April 2004 12:21 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At first, it seemed to me there is no such thing as extreme feminism. But then a historical example presented itself to my mind's eye.

In the early 1920's, the Bolsheviks had established their power in certain Muslim areas such as Tadjikstan, Kazakhstan, etc.

But their secular doctrines had difficulty making headway among the devout. So for a few years, there was a policy known as: "Women: the Alternative Proletariat".

The basic idea was that women in Muslim lands were more oppressed, had surplus value extraced, etc, etc, and that they could stand in the place of the proletariat as bearers of revolutionary politics.

I believe the policy was unsuccessful. There is a good book about it, by Alexander Bennigsen, the name of which escapes me.

Would this qualify as "extreme"?

Editted to add: Google aided memory provides this:

quote:
Massell, Gregory. The Surrogate Proletariat: Moslem Women and Revolutionary Strategies in Soviet Central Asia, 1919-1929. Princeton: 1974

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N.Beltov
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posted 16 April 2004 01:45 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In favour of the "extreme-feminist" side, the status of women in Central Asia in the 1920's was appalling. In fact, in a lot of places in Central Asia, it still is. (Taliban, the current Iraqi clerics who oppose the U.S. occupation and women's rights...not necessarily in that order, etc. ) Kirghizia, for example, is of interest for the literature that was nourished by the same Bolshevik regime.

One of the greatest Kirghiz writers, perhaps the greatest that ever lived, Chinghiz Aitmatov, wrote many of his stories from the point of view of young Kirghiz women of that time. His stories honouring Asian women of strength are inspiring. "Jamila", for example, is, in the opinion of the great French writer, Louis Aragorn, the greatest love story ever written. I agree. There's much, much more.

This is what James Riordan thought of Aitmatov's female heroines:

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These Aitmatov heroines have much in common: they break with the traditional life of a Kirghiz village woman; they take their fate into their own hands; and they suffer much personal hardship. The male characters are worthwhile only in so far as they remain in a positive relationship with the heroine. The dominant female figure surely refects Aitmatov's own fatherless upbringing and the love he has for the female relatives who surrounded him with such care and tenderness when the family was faced with adversity


I'm not sure how much of a proletariat there was in Central Asia in 1920. But mocking the extremes of left wing social policy mocks the people for whom that policy was intended. For those who like to read astounding, inspiring and heart-rending literature, even in translation from Kirghiz and Russian, I heartily recommend Chinghiz Aitmatov to all extreme-feminists.

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Rebecca West
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posted 16 April 2004 03:07 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Extreme Feminism brings to mind Valerie Solanas' SCUM Manifesto. The first time I read it, I thought it had to be satire.
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N.Beltov
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posted 16 April 2004 03:15 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SCUM Manifesto

Wow. I think I want to have my "repulsiveness confirmed."

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skdadl
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posted 16 April 2004 03:17 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rebecca, you're kidding! The first sentence of the SCUM Manifesto:

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Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.

That is not satire; that is revealed truth!

(It is also a superb model of the classical periodic sentence.)


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 April 2004 03:43 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's a "periodic sentence"? Does that mean that when she wrote it she must have been getting her... whoops! I'm in the Feminism forum!
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skdadl
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posted 16 April 2004 03:51 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Mr Magoo, it's just a fancy way of describing what you may have studied in school as the compound-complex sentence -- except it's more than that, too. She is using multiple different sentence structures and controlling them perfectly, poetically, one might almost say.


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skdadl
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posted 16 April 2004 03:54 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, it isn't compound-complex at all as we were taught it -- there's no subordinate clause. There are those two lovely participles and all the lovely parallels.
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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 16 April 2004 04:18 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Valerie Solanas' only mistake was she didn't have better aim.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 April 2004 04:26 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's all take a moment to imagine the utopia that could have been. Damn you, Andy Warhol!!!
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