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Topic: rabble.ca relaunch party?? this thursday
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pogge
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posted 23 October 2008 08:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle: I'm actually not sure whether the new site will be up and running tomorrow.
'Tis. But is it necessary to reregister? 'Cos I'm trying to log in and it's acting like it doesn't know me. [ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: oldgoat ] [ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: oldgoat ]
From: Why is this a required field? | Registered: Mar 2002
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 23 October 2008 09:19 AM
Kinda cool over there.I was able to find my very first babble post, made Aug. 31st, 2001: quote: I'm one of those notorious 'swing voters'. I've voted Liberal, NDP, PC, and even for Mel Hurtig's National Party once. Haven't voted Green yet, but it's not out of the question (though single issue parties have a harder time getting my attention). I'm probably exactly the kind of voter the 'left' wishes they could depend upon - sympathetic, but all too often just just as likely to end up voting Liberal (to turf a Mulroney or Harris, or block the likes of the Stockboy).What do I want to see in a new left initiative? First and foremost, I want it to champion democratic reform. It terrifies me that the ranting right seems to have been able to stake out this turf as their own. Recall, the triple E senate and unlimited campaign spending by single issue special interest groups are among the poisons they're pushing. All of them wrong, but obviously fascinating to a wide range of Canadians. Alternatives must be presented: the restriction of spending by non-citizens (would we have suffered the economic dislocation of the FTA if corporations had not out-spent individual Canadians 20 to 1?); replacement of our first-past-the-post elections by representative or run-off election; meaningful senate reform (but not in a form that sets it at loggerheads with the House). In short, a promise that the democratic in New Democratic Party is primary.
Plus ça changer, eh?
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Michelle
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Babbler # 560
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posted 23 October 2008 12:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Boom Boom: The basic appearance of new babble looks okay to me, but I hope this old babble stays up until new babble is fully sorted out. I'm still being asked to login or register, although I've logged in twice already.
Don't worry, it definitely will! We're doing the beta version for now so that babblers and other rabble readers can help us fix the bugs. Make good use of that feedback page and tell our techs what isn't working for you so they can fix and tweak! http://beta.rabble.ca/contact
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001
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writer
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Babbler # 2513
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posted 23 October 2008 01:55 PM
This just in: quote: October 23rd, 2008 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE rabble.ca raises a ruckus and launches its new site todaynews site also announces partnership with the Council of Canadians, United Steelworkers, and Douglas Coldwell Foundation rabble.ca, Canada’s most widely read independent news media site, introduces three new strategic partnerships today and launches its newly designed website: you can find it at beta.rabble.ca. “We’re very proud to be introducing new community partnerships together with this relaunch,” said rabble.ca publisher, Kim Elliott. “In these challenging economic and political times, we are very pleased to introduce a new strategic partnership with Canada’s most influential activist-based organization, the Council of Canadians.” “rabble is a crucial resource for achieving media democracy in Canada in this era of increasing corporate media centralization,” says Maude Barlow, national chairperson of the Council of Canadians and outspoken advocate for media democracy. “That’s why the Council of Canadians supports rabble.” Also announced today are new partnerships with the Douglas Coldwell Foundation, partner on the soon to be released on-line Activist Toolkit, as well as with the United Steelworkers, who join rabble today as the sponsor of rabbletv – rabble’s cutting edge new media component featuring live and pre-recorded online video. rabble.ca’s new website, which can be viewed at beta.rabble.ca, offers visitors an opportunity to provide feedback on the newly redesigned website, and introduces state of the art interactive features including the live streaming capacity of rabbletv, Canada’s largest progressive podcast network, and other interactive and sharing tools. The new website is built on an open-source platform. “rabble.ca is happy to contribute back to the open source community it has been built upon,” explained Elliott. “rabble.ca developers have released modules back to the drupal community for other organizations to make use of and to promote democratic media tools.” Building on their acclaimed and popular election blog, rabble will also be introducing regular blogs on the website. “With the election blog, for the first time, I felt like progressives in Canada had a real daily alternative to mainstream media analysis,” explained Derrick O’Keefe, editor of rabble.ca. “We intend to build on that and make rabble the ‘go to’ place for common sense analysis devoid of corporate media spin in this time of economic crisis and minority government.” rabble.ca chose to relaunch on Media Democracy Day, a day founded to challenge media concentration in Canada and to recognize the power of alternative media. Media Democracy Day activities take place throughout the day today at the University of Toronto, and conclude this evening with a roundtable debrief on the federal election, featuring Maude Barlow, Murray Dobbin, Jessica Yee, Anne Lagacé-Dowson and Duncan Cameron, and a celebration with LAL, Mraya (with Maryem Tollar) and Lorraine Segato at the Steamwhistle Brewery in Toronto Ontario. -30-
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pogge
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Babbler # 2440
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posted 23 October 2008 02:06 PM
quote: “With the election blog, for the first time, I felt like progressives in Canada had a real daily alternative to mainstream media analysis,” explained Derrick O’Keefe, editor of rabble.ca.
Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence. ETA: I went away for a bit to see if I'd calm down but instead I'm even more pissed off. That's just insulting to a bunch of us. If we'd waited for rabble to come up with a platform that accommodates blogging we'd have been waiting for five years which is how long I've been at it. Rabble has a bad case of NIH Syndrome (Not Invented Here). [ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: pogge ]
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Left Turn
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Babbler # 8662
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posted 23 October 2008 03:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle: Left Turn, you're kidding me. It's supposed to be the other way around - people are supposed to use their screen names on babble, not their login names. All the login names are supposed to be gone.And it's for that very reason - because a lot of people, for some reason, use their real names as their login and then an alias as their screen name.
I'm not kidding. Granted, I havn't posted anything, because I know that any posts made on the beta site will dissapear when the real version goes up. However, my password was connected to my login name, not my username, and my most recent posts page says Most Recent Posts by Tim K.
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Left Turn
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Babbler # 8662
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posted 23 October 2008 04:26 PM
I bet I know what happened with my username. I actually have two accounts on rabble where my username is Left Turn.My original username when I joined babble way back in October 2004, was my real name. Then in January 2005 there was an incident where Sean Holman used info I'd posted on rabble in an article in the public eye online, and Budd Campbell made a comment on said article where he made defamatory comments about me. After this incident, and also because of concerns over posting stuff online under my own name that future employers could read, I requested Audra let me change my username. When that didn't appear to go anywhere, I created a second in March 2005, with the username Left Turn. Then in April 2005, Audra granted us a name change day, and I changed my username on my original account to Left Turn. Now that the login name and username are the same, there cannot be two accounts with Left Turn, because the database that's behind this all, won't be able to have two entries under the same name. So I'm guessing that my original account is Left Turn, and my second account became Tim K. The question is, can this problem be fixed? I really don't care about the first account, it could be deleted for all I care. What I want is for the account I currently post under to be named Left Turn, and not Tim K. [edited to add] What you could do is go and make the Left Turn acoount "Leftturn", without spaces, and the Tim K. account "Left Turn". That would solve the problem. [ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: Left Turn ]
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martin dufresne
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posted 23 October 2008 04:29 PM
I don't dare go the new site until I read a clear how-to guide on a separate thread in this one. I have tried to piece basic how-to information from hurried half-answers to vague questions here at the bottom of this party thread, and I must say I don't feel this is the way to tutor babblers on a yet-to-be-functional changeover in my book. And shouldn't the information be here rather than on a site we have trouble accessing?So before some of you get pissed and start calling me the problem, I am out of here until bugs are quashed and a decent how-to guide is hammered out and posted separately. Martin who gets lost just trying to suss out the difference between "screen name", "log-in name" and "username" [ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]
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oldgoat
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posted 23 October 2008 10:13 PM
So I got back a little while ago. It was really great, and quite well attended. Several hundred people, I'd say. Good discussion and good music. Saw several babblers there, but would have liked to meet more.Just want to say that Michelle's moderating might be just a bit fuzzy tomorrow.
quote: (How do you get behind a loop? )
Good lord, did I really say that? Well I was outside of the curve or whatever. Had a chance to talk to the tech guy who's doing all this. Surprised he had time to attend, he was looking a bit bleary. All things will work out ok in the fullness of time.
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Left Turn
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Babbler # 8662
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posted 24 October 2008 03:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by oldgoat: Had a chance to talk to the tech guy who's doing all this. Surprised he had time to attend, he was looking a bit bleary. All things will work out ok in the fullness of time.
Saying that all things will work out in the fullness of time won't solve my problem. Maybe a different explanation will help you understand my problem. I have two rabble accounts. One is babbler number 7142 (8142 on the new software). The other is babbler number 8662 (9662 on the new software). On the old babble, both accounts have the username "Left Turn". The database allows this, because the login names were different. Given that there's only one name associated with the accounts on the new rabble, only one of these accounts can have the "Left Turn" name. The new babble software gave the "Left Turn" name to the 8142 account, because it comes first in the numerical sequence. It gave the 9662 account, which is this account, my login name from this version of rabble, which is "Tim K." I have not used the 8142 account since march 2005. Since March 2005, I have used the 8662 account. I wish the 9662 account to be named "Left Turn". In order to accomplish this, the 8142 account needs to be renamed "leftturn". I've sent a message about this via the feedback section of the beta version of the new rabble. Hopefully this gets sorted out, and I don't have to keep pushing people's buttons any more. [ 24 October 2008: Message edited by: Left Turn ] [ 24 October 2008: Message edited by: Left Turn ] [ 24 October 2008: Message edited by: Left Turn ]
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oldgoat
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Babbler # 1130
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posted 24 October 2008 08:52 AM
Martin and Left turn, and all the rest of the confused. (which includes me)If I don't have answers to all your questions it means that in some cases they exist and I don't know, and in more cases they don't exist. The beta site is to work out bugs, because putting it up in real time and letting people play on it is the best way to do that. Anything you do on it right now will not be in the final product. Martin, in your case you presumably use your real name as a user name. I use oldgoat as a user name, and my real name as a login name, which does not appear publicly. What is going on right now is a really huge data transfer from old to new, and this is creating some wonkiness. Full instructions and an FAQ will be there when we know what the actual intended differences are between the two sites, and what was just wonkiness. If anyone has forgotten thier original login information, PM me and I can look it up. For what it's worth, I couldn't log in either. Hi skdadl. Test away.
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The Devil
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posted 24 October 2008 09:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by statica:
i had a wicked time!!!
That's my girl!
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oldgoat
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Babbler # 1130
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posted 24 October 2008 06:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Fidel:
You mean it's conscious and fuckin with ya?
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, we have that feature. It will be concious, and it WILL hold grudges. It can also cross reference data on the internet at large, and in most cases find out where you live. God help any of you who have filed your taxes online.
These features did cost a bit extra, but we figure you're worth it.
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Bubbles
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posted 24 October 2008 08:26 PM
Just tried connecting to the Beta site.Had no trouble registering, but noticed that my member number had changed from 3787 to 4787. Somehow a digit got misread. Babble must have the latest software that can make human mistakes. Opened a new post to see how it works, but could not find the edit button to add comments.
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Left Turn
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Babbler # 8662
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posted 25 October 2008 12:02 AM
I really think we're being kept in the dark about this whole rabble relaunch.On the new rabble, there are a number of us who have wound up with our login names as opposed to our usernames, when we were told our login names would be gone. So far, there has been no metion of whether this problem can be fixed, and if it can be fixed, when and how this might be done. We also havn't been told whether posts made on the old rabble during the test run on the beta site, will be transferred over to the permanent version of the new rabble. Finally, we havn't been told when the actual changeover to the permanent version of the new rabble will take place. If this is unknown, it would be nice if someone could tell us. As it is, we are left with the impression that the date of the full changeover to the permanent version of the new babble, may be known by some (or all) of the staff, and if so, is not being publicly released. I wish someone with a bit more knowledge of the situation than Oldgoat, would come on here and let us know what's going on regarding these concerns. [ 25 October 2008: Message edited by: Left Turn ]
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Michelle
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posted 25 October 2008 03:26 AM
Nobody is being kept in the dark deliberately. We're trying to sort out all the bugs in the new software and it's difficult.Also, all of us rabble staff are having trouble with our e-mail over the last day or two - I think it has something to do with the entire server being bogged down by the transfer of, like, millions of rabble posts (or however many). So most of us aren't getting our e-mails and are having a hard time communicating with each other, which of course makes it hard for me to communicate with you about this stuff. I'm getting only the occasional e-mail here and there. One e-mail I got from one of our tech guys is this one, which might help: quote: for folks experiencing troubles with their usernames/passwords. here's what they should do.go to the login screen and request a new password for either the login name that they think they should have ... or the email account they used. there will be some irregularities. this is because: on the old system it allowed users to have duplicate usernames. ie. 4 babblers could call themselves theUltimateBabbler20092 (if they happened too In the new system, there can only be one of each. The email address will let them know what their name has been reverted to. Also, if you can keep track of the ones that are not able to reclaim their accounts, we can match them up and make sure they get the right account back so that they maintain their history etc.
Please also remember that our tech guys have been working around the clock, putting in massive volunteer hours, trying to get this beta version up and running on time. It's a huge, huge project. So they're likely not going to respond immediately to feedback, which they're likely deluged with. But they're reading it and likely doing tech triage. Left Turn, I will let them know what happened with your account and I'm sure they'll do their best to resolve it. As for how long we're keeping the old site up - I've heard something like 10 days or so. But we can't give you an exact date because we've never done something this huge before and so that's a guesstimate. [ 25 October 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001
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