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Hephaestion
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posted 26 November 2005 09:07 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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(Dubai) More than two dozen people described by the government as gay have been arrested at what police called "a mass homosexual wedding" and could face Sharia court imposed male hormone treatments, five years in jail and a lashing, authorities in the United Arab Emirates told the Associated Press on Saturday.

The Interior Ministry said police raided a hotel earlier this month and arrested 22 men from the Emirates as they celebrated the wedding ceremony. It was the latest in a string of recent group arrests of suspected gay men.

The men are likely to be tried under Muslim law on charges related to adultery and prostitution, Interior Ministry spokesman Issam Azouri told the Associated Press.

But, it is not clear if those arrested were all gay men or if some were transsexuals. The transgendered have no legal recognition in the Emirates and sexual minorities in the region are often lumped into one category, homosexual.

Azouri told the AP that police, acting on a tip, raided a hotel in Ghantout, a desert region on the Dubai-Abu Dhabi highway, and found a dozen men dressed as female brides and a dozen others in male Arab dress. "It was a real party with balloons and champagne,'' he said.

[...]

Azouri described the arrests in Ghantout as a "delicate" matter made public for the first time - more than a week after the event _ because the country's tribal leadership wants to demonstrate it will not tolerate open homosexuality.


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posted 26 November 2005 09:14 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...What will the effects of these shots be...medically?

This is...so...disturbing.


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Ghost of the Navigator
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posted 26 November 2005 09:17 PM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The UAE is a staunch American ally.
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posted 26 November 2005 09:32 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wish there was an avenue for people in the UAE to criticize or protest against their government. However, I can't see this happening for decades and decades. The government in the UAE is not elected. It is not secular. It is not democratic. It is... what do you call it.. monarchy? (Sorry, when I'm hopelessly drunk, I start to forget my English). Family member succeeds family member as president. There is a very small middle class. The disgustingly wealthy owe their wealth to the autocratic law of the land. The poor are led to believe that they owe their very existence to the kind and loving (!) law of the land. Fuckin' bullshit. There is tremendous censorship in the press. The UAE makes itself out to be a fucking Garden of Eden. Yea, it's called the most liberal country in the Middle East because instead of beheading homosexuals, male hormone shots will be administered. Gawd, I hate this fucking hypocrite world. Did you know that begging is banned in the UAE? There are no beggars. No, they don't have homeless shelters either. Beggars are just deported. Stupid, stupid world.

I hope international pressure will help. Oh yea, and I admire the gay party at the Khor Fakkan beach resort. That was pretty gutsy because the Khor Fakkan beach is a very public place and a huge tourist attraction. Okay, there, I am done my rant.


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Hephaestion
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posted 28 November 2005 06:43 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was quite an interesting insight, ephemeral. You sound like you've been there...?

Anyway, courtesy of Philo at queerday, here's another link with some more info:

suntimes.com

Philo notes in his summary, "Outward gay behavior is banned in the once-isolated Muslim country that oddly enough has a long tradition of openly gay wedding singers and dancers."

That is odd...

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posted 28 November 2005 08:18 AM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
That was quite an interesting insight, ephemeral. You sound like you've been there...?

Thanks Heph. I grew up there. I feel (felt?) helpless because people can get in serious, possibly life-threatening, trouble for saying anything against the government. If you're walking out in public with a friend, you better not be expressing any discontent with the government. If somebody overhears you, expect a few lashings at least. People don't exactly have the freedom to protest through peaceful marches or writing letters to the editor. How do you change attitudes in such a place?


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Hephaestion
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posted 28 November 2005 08:24 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm tempted to say "at the end of a gun barrel."
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posted 28 November 2005 08:28 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
I'm tempted to say "at the end of a gun barrel."

We are similarly evil, I guess, Heph. That was the first thing that popped into my queer little head, as well.


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Hephaestion
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posted 28 November 2005 08:32 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What evil? I've never claimed to be a pacifist, and any SOB tried that with me -- or any other queer -- I'd put a hole in the bastard. I call what they're doing "genocide", and any violent resistance would be in a moral cause, to my mind.

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posted 28 November 2005 10:31 AM      Profile for idontandwontevergolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As was asked, what would be the medical effect of male hormone (testosterone, presumably) injections? It seems to me that someone in the UAE has some wacky medical knowledge and may find that the testosterone injections will not have the desired effect. Wouldn't female hormones be "better" (from the gov's point of view) as that would affect the men's sexual potency?

Were the men involved in the wedding doing this as a political protest, knowing that they would be in big trouble?


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posted 28 November 2005 01:39 PM      Profile for Nes Lessman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ghost of the Navigator:
The UAE is a staunch American ally.

What the hell has that got to do with it?
Is Iran also a staunch American ally?


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posted 28 November 2005 05:51 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, an excess of testosterone during gestation is associated with homosexuality...if I were counsel to those guys I might just raise that, just to see the look on those judges' faces.

What a planet. Where should we go next?


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Hephaestion
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posted 29 November 2005 09:43 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Emirates tries to distance itself from 'forced hormone injections' threat

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(Dubai) An official spokesperson for the government of the United Arab Emirates on Monday said that an Interior Ministry worker who suggested men arrested at a purported gay wedding could be forced by the government to receive male hormone shots was speaking only for himself.

[...]

... on Monday, Colonel Mohammed Ibrahim Al Hajiri, of the Public Relations Department, did not dispute the arrests and said the investigation is ongoing and that no official charges had been laid.

"The reports in local newspapers and foreign news agencies which quoted the Ministry of Interior on the issue of youths arrested in connection with a gay party is nothing but a personal analysis of the issue," said Col. Hajiri.

"It has nothing to do with the ongoing investigation of the accused. It is not necessarily the ministryıs opinion on the issue and does not represent the viewpoint of any of the authorities concerned." Hajiri said.

He added that the fate of the 22 would be left to the judiciary - a Sharia court. But, he would not say whether a court could order forced male hormone injections.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack denounced the possibility.

"We call on the government of the United Arab Emirates to immediately stop any ordered hormone and psychological treatment and to comply with the standards of international law," he said in a statement.


Also, queerday reports:

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Following the arrests at the mass gay wedding, it appears that a cop is suspected of having taken mobile phone pictures of the accused when they were in police detention. He stands to lose his job and is being interrogated by "competent" Abu Dhabi Police authorities.

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posted 29 November 2005 01:05 PM      Profile for Maritimesea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Nes Lessman:

What the hell has that got to do with it?
Is Iran also a staunch American ally?


It has nothing "to do with it", but it is simply another example of american hypocrisy. Iran would be an ally of the u.s. if it was a good little muslim nation and stopped trying to make nukes. That Iran has a deplorable human rights record is not the reason why there is tension between it and the u.s.

George bush walks through the rose garden hand in hand with the leader of a country that puts gays and lesbians to death, so actually I would say he is giving tacit approval for SA's continuing human rights atrocities.


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Hephaestion
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posted 06 December 2005 03:56 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow... just *photos* of gay men are considered "immoral"

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A United Emirates police officer who took part in the arrests of two dozen men at what police called "a mass homosexual wedding" is under investigation for taking cell phone pictures of some of the accused.

The pictures were reportedly taken while they were in police detention in Abu Dubai.  The pictures were then sent to a number of other people.

Local media reports say that if an internal affairs investigation finds the officer guilty he could lose his job.

The complaint appears not to involve an infringement on the rights of the accused but in disseminating "immoral" pictures. 

Police Lieutenant-Colonel Najm Abdullah Sayyar Al Hosani said that pictures of gay men were contrary to the teachings of religion, and an affront to the social stability the UAE.

He urged anyone who may have received the pictures to destroy them.


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posted 06 December 2005 08:10 AM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If they were asking to destory those pictures in order to protect (the rights of) the arrested people, I could understand...
But for this reason...? I know UAE is "quite" homophobic, but that it would go this far...?!
I'm dumbfounded...

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posted 06 December 2005 08:31 AM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Clog-boy:
But for this reason...? I know UAE is "quite" homophobic, but that it would go this far...?!
I'm dumbfounded...

You better believe it!!


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Hephaestion
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posted 11 February 2006 04:04 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
UAE sentences 26 gays to 5 years in prison

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Twenty-six men arrested at what police in the United Arab Emirates called a "gay wedding" have been sentenced each to five years in prison.

The men were charged with homosexuality, a crime under Sharia law, although police acknowledged that non of the men were engaged in a sexual act when police raided the event.

Press reports from the capital say that the men did not deny being gay, although some of the accused reportedly identify as transgendered.

Lawyers familiar with the case say the sentences are likely to be appealed.

[...]

In handing down its sentence Friday the court did not mention either hormone injections or lashings.

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posted 11 February 2006 05:12 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whew! 5 years. That's not too bad considering how much worse it could've been.
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I did wonder if the people who are being prosecuted and hormoned are from the ruling families? Two standards of justice according to who you know?
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As was asked, what would be the medical effect of male hormone (testosterone, presumably) injections? It seems to me that someone in the UAE has some wacky medical knowledge and may find that the testosterone injections will not have the desired effect.
Perhaps it is like the death penalty in the US. It does not rehabilitate or deter, it is really just meant to be punitive.

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