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rural - Francesca
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posted 05 June 2008 05:21 AM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Head shaved for cancer costs woman her job

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The 36-year-old raised almost $2,700 in pledges over four months and then had her thick, red locks shaved off in a local Cops for Cancer event on the weekend.

Her effort was deeply personal — Fearnall’s father died of cancer five years ago, her cousin is battling the disease and so is her best friend’s husband. She says she felt it was the least she could do in the face of so much pain.

But when she showed up for work Tuesday at Nathaniel’s restaurant in Owen Sound, an upscale eatery, her employers told her to take the summer off — without pay.

[snip]

The point isn’t disputed by the owners of Nathaniel’s, who suggested Fearnall take a leave of absence and “spend time with her kids” after she showed up for her afternoon shift.

“Our staff is expected to come dressed appropriately and we did not feel that this was appropriate, but that’s not the biggest issue. We told her how we felt before (she shaved her head),” said Jeff Ferris, who along with Dan Hilliard opened the downtown restaurant five and half years ago.

“She could have done a multitude of different things to support her cause that wouldn’t have affected her work, but she chose to do it in a way that we told her was inappropriate for our business.”

Both owners argue they told Fearnall well in advance of last weekend’s event that they would not be pleased if she shaved her head. Hilliard even went as far as suggesting she wear a wig.


emphasis mine

...because women who work outside the home do it for fun, not because they need the money, and we can all take the summer off!

This can't be legal, can it?


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posted 05 June 2008 05:31 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Nathaniel's Restaurant
215 8Th Street East
Owen Sound, ON N4K 1L2
519-371-3440

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posted 05 June 2008 05:31 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Surely it can't!

I don't care if they DID tell her "how they felt" before she did it. They don't get to dictate how she wears her hair if she's not doing anything unsanitary that interferes with the job!


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posted 05 June 2008 05:32 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Nathaniel's Restaurant
215 8Th Street East
Owen Sound, ON N4K 1L2
519-371-3440

Flood that restaurant with calls! I'll be calling as soon as I get home tonight!

[Edited to add: polite calls! Non-abusive calls! Non-threatening calls!]

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 05 June 2008 05:44 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Line is busy! But I will keep on trying, putz's who in the hell do they think they are dictating how an employee wears, or in this case does not wear, her hair, if it is not hanging about they have no say!
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posted 05 June 2008 06:16 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even if they keep the phone off the hook to avoid calls, I guess no one will be able to get through to make a reservation.

I can see this morphing into a Timbit-sized issue. The restaurant is small, but I don't know anyone who hasn't been touched by cancer and wouldn't want to support a woman who took action to raise money for the cause.

She says that she doesn't want her job back, and that's understandable. I think the best case scenario is that she be given the summer off to spend with her kids... but that it be with pay.


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Yeah, the cancer part makes the story especially sympathetic - but quite frankly, I think it's appalling even if she just decided to shave her head for a lark. It's her hair, her head. No one else's business what she does with it!

And look at the picture - how is that different than any woman who keeps her hair cut short? I know lots of women who like their hair short like that.

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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I've done it twice, and both times my workplace got behind me, and I was a front line staff.

Sure it wasn't a upscale clientel, but it made people nervous at first as they thought I actually had cancer.

I use to frequent Nathaniels, not any more


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Yeah, the cancer part makes the story especially sympathetic - but quite frankly, I think it's appalling even if she just decided to shave her head for a lark. It's her hair, her head. No one else's business what she does with it!
I agree completely, it is no one else's business what she does with her hair and her head, and I find the actions of the male owners of the restaurant to be to the extreme ends of male patriarchy and erroneous sense of rights and privilege.

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And look at the picture - how is that different than any woman who keeps her hair cut short? I know lots of women who like their hair short like that.
I know she is not even "bald" per se.

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I had my hair in a pony tail and was told to get a haircut. If appearance means nothing at work, why do we dress up for the interview.

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Pogo ]


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I find the actions of the male owners of the restaurant to be to the extreme ends of male patriarchy

Indeed.

In the medieval period, masters could compel their apprentices to follow regulations on hair length, enforcing their low status and servitude.

Attitudes at this restaurant don't seem to have evolved much.


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Isn't it too bad that the restaurant's owners couldn't be compelled to appear before Judge Anne Derrick, a much-respected lawyer/now judge in Nova Scotia, with, arguably, the most-recognized hairstyle in the law community.

(Well, I removed the very long URL because it looked right to me but it was reacting all wrong! Anne's hairstyle is almost exactly like Stacey Fearnall's.)

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posted 05 June 2008 08:52 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo:
If appearance means nothing at work, why do we dress up for the interview.

What's your point?


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just hit the StarStar Article

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Her employer, Dan Hilliard, says his restaurant has certain standards prohibiting men from wearing earrings and requiring employees to keep their hair at a reasonable length.

He says Fearnall is still on the payroll and she can return to work once she sprouts some locks.

Hilliard admits the story isn't great PR for the restaurant but as far as he's concerned, it's an internal staff problem.

He says he's already heard from some customers who agree with him and say they would have been "appalled" to have been served at Fearnell's table.


So when you call, mention you'd be honoured to be served by her


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He says he's already heard from some customers who agree with him and say they would have been "appalled" to have been served at Fearnell's table.



At least they wouldn't have to worry about hair in their food.

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"Appalled". Wow. So I guess people who are undergoing or recovering from chemotherapy also can't work at the restaurant, cause their appearance would appall too many customers.

So I guess bald men or men with really short hair also can't work there. And all employees need to leave their earrings at home? Or just the men?

I agree with the principle of keeping hair tidy in the food services industry, and having beards clean and trimmmed, but there isn't really any hygiene or safety concern around already short hair.


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posted 05 June 2008 11:38 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

What's your point?


The job is front line customer service in a volatile industry. A large part of the job is based on presentation. I have been told to change my appearance in circumstances that were far less related to the financial well being of the business. From the quotes it appears that she was warned that shaving her head was not acceptable.

Dress codes are a part of frontline customer service especially in businesses marketing to high end customer bases. Customers are looking for people that conform to their stereotypes of 'normal'. Businesses that want to earn a living try to meet that expectation.


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Wow. I didn't think your point would actually be to defend male bosses telling female staff what hairstyles are acceptable.

That's incredible. Sorry, I just really don't have much else to say to you on this, Pogo. Thanks for the clarification.

Everyone else: Are you planning to call these sexist guys and tell them what's what when it comes to a woman's right not to have her length of hair dictated to her by a male boss at a restaurant? I'm looking forward to doing so tonight. Hopefully I'll catch them at their busy time.

[Edited to add what I'm sure all good babblers know already - but please don't be abusive when you call! I'm sure none of us would be, of course...]

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 05 June 2008 11:53 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember to ask for:

quote:
Jeff Ferris

or

quote:
Dan Hilliard

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I was thinking about starting a Facebook group about this, encouraging people to call. Do you think that would be a good idea?
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Wow. I didn't think your point would actually be to defend male bosses telling female staff what hairstyles are acceptable.

Would it make a difference if it was a female boss? The reason they are doing it is dollars and cents.

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Pogo ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Sorry, I just really don't have much else to say to you on this, Pogo.

Anyhow...so I've got the facebook group written up - I'm just hesitating to put it live in case there might be a good reason not to. Fearnall doesn't seem to mind the publicity, so hopefully she wouldn't mind this...but it seems presumptuous since I don't know her.

It just really burns me up to see an employer in a notoriously abusive industry get away with something like this.


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posted 05 June 2008 12:24 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo:

Would it make a difference if it was a female boss? The reason they are doing it is dollars and cents.

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Pogo ]


Gee and rich folks might not like an Asian server so what then? That was rhetorical by the way.

Maybe this unemployed woman can help look for bike thief's now that she has the summer off.


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posted 05 June 2008 12:33 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle, I just found her on Facebook and sent her a message asking for permission. I also referred her to this thread.

Pogo, you're sounding a bit too much like Bob Ringma for my liking.

quote:
If I hired blacks or gays, and my clients found it offensive, I would make them work in the back of the shop.

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Oh, that's a good idea! Hmm, I already made the group live. But I guess I'll just not invite anyone to the group until you hear back from her. Scott, if you want to send her the link to the group so she can check out what I wrote, you can find it in the minifeed on my profile.

[ 05 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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I think a consumer boycott of this establishment is in order. Not of course to cause the business injury but to change their business practices. Sidewalk pickets would be legal if they explain what happened and urge people to either boycott the retaurant or raise the issue with the owners.

A quick read of this important activism case will explain what I mean.

Friends of the Lubicaon


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OK, Michelle, I sent her the link and will let you know.

Wow, between Shane Jolley's arrest and this story, little Owen Sound (where my parents lived when they were first married) is getting a lot of news these days.


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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Pogo, you're sounding a bit too much like Bob Ringma for my liking.

Michelle & Scott, I trust your judgement on this issue and I am relooking at it because of that. For employment positions of this sort what kind of code is acceptable? I don't go to expensive restaurants very much, but when I have gone all the frontline staff are always noteworthy for their conformity.


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hmmm, I have tried calling 3 times so far and the line has been busy. Perhaps he was too quick off the mark with his:

quote:
He says he's already heard from some customers who agree with him and say they would have been "appalled" to have been served at Fearnell's table.

And many more others are calling saying otherwise?

Regarding the dress code thing, of pogo's, did not a ruling come down that strikes down the imposition of dress code unless the employer was going to pay for uniforms? Hair is not part of a dress code. Uncovered or unbound long hair is part of the public safety and food safe directives, not a part of dress codes.


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posted 05 June 2008 01:18 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another interesting thing to do could be to log onto restaurant review sites (a bunch come up when you type "Nathaniel's Restaurant" into google) and share the story there.
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There's a FAQ here from the BC Human Rights Coalition on dress codes for servers.

I don't see anything similar for Ontario.

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quote:
Originally posted by remind:

Regarding the dress code thing, of pogo's, did not a ruling come down that strikes down the imposition of dress code unless the employer was going to pay for uniforms? Hair is not part of a dress code. Uncovered or unbound long hair is part of the public safety and food safe directives, not a part of dress codes.

This is more of a grooming code. Found a bit online about the legal issues.

Can I ask an employee to get rid of his dreadlocks?


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Thanks sgm, the human rights standards cover all of Canada, not just BC.

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In many cases it may be appropriate to have dress codes or standards that are different for men and women. However, what you want to ensure is that the standard itself is imposed in a way that is comparable across genders. For example, a dress code that says “men cannot have long hair and women with long hair are expected to keep it tidy” is more comparable across genders than a dress code that simply bans ponytails for men only. Review your policies to ensure they are applied equally and comparably across genders and that they treat everyone fairly regardless of their gender.

What kind of hair does Dan Hilliard, or Jeff Ferris, have?


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Well, people already seem to be joining the Facebook group...four people already with no advertising at all.

Maybe I'm just being too cautious and I should throw it open and invite Facebook friends. I can always change the opening preamble if Stacey doesn't want her name on it. She's getting lots of press on this already anyhow...

The Facebook group

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Dress codes are a part of frontline customer service especially in businesses marketing to high end customer bases. Customers are looking for people that conform to their stereotypes of 'normal'. Businesses that want to earn a living try to meet that expectation.
You're absolutely right. My S/O and I are going to a fancy restaurant to celebrate our anniversary this wkend, and the last thing we want to see on our server is the back of her neck.

And what if the restaurant had announced that one of its servers did this to raise money for cancer research? What freakish effrontery!!

And what an outrageously provocative sight to inflict upon the poor beleaguered folks of Owen Sound, who are already feeling fragile enough these days, what with all those bike theft vigilantes peering into their windows in the middle of the night.

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Stacey's husband's blog posting

Check out that picture - she's beautiful, by any standards! Okay, I know that was superficial of me, but I can't imagine anyone being disturbed at being served by her.

Something to keep in mind:

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Update - Thanks to everyone for their calls and messages. It is good to know that we are not the only ones who think this is wrong. I talked to someone at the Ministry of Labour and it turns out what Stacey’s employers did is not illegal, although she did say it might be a human rights issue. Here is a link to the story in the Sun Times. I won’t be posting a new photo for a few days just in case others want to read the story here. In the future, if you want to give someone the link to this page, click on the permalink (#) at the top of the page and copy and paste it. That way, the link will always bring them to this page, even if I post new pictures.

Update #2 - Things seem to be getting a little out of control. Stacey has been swamped with interview requests from across the country which she is finding overwhelming. Unfortunately, we have also heard some disturbing stories about the treatment of Dan and his restaurant. Everyone needs to remember that screaming and threatening people is not a reasonable solution to any problem. The goal is not to ruin Dan’s life or his business. Everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is to admit and learn from these mistakes. All Stacey wanted to do was to stand up for her beliefs and be a good role model for her daughters. We all need to take the high road. Peace, Happiness.


I'm pretty sure it goes without saying here on babble that any calls to the restaurant should not include freaking out or abuse...


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Okay, this is superficial too, but when my partner shaved her head for the same cause I thought she looked great - so does Stacey. I tried to convince my partner to keep it even.

After reading the article today on the front page of my local paper the Sun Times I had a lot of respect for her. After reading the blog posting it has gone up for both of them. What a good example they are setting for others on many fronts.

I wish them all the best.

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Well, she certainly looks hale and healthy, and her hair has already fully covered her scalp. In a week or two she will simply look like a woman who likes to wear her hair short out of personal preference, sport, etc.

People who lose their head and body hair (including eyebrows and eyelashes) do to chimotherapy do NOT look good, far from it - but that is why there are such campaigns in solidarity with people who face at once a potentially fatal - and potentially very painful - illness as well as stigmatisation and rude stares. That is the whole point.

Truly bizarre, when this is a campaign for pediatric cancer care

I wouldn't even dream of these ijuts facing this with their own children or a young relative or friend, but they do need a good shaking.


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Hey, it made The National! They just had a clip on now.
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Stacey's story has made The National -- a report by Lori Graham -- a very positive report, very much in sympathy with her and the position she's found herself in. She's got a new part-time job.
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Besides being a stupid decision, a shaved head is probably even more hygienic in a restaurant operation than a head full of hair.
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Gee, I guess people weren't quite as supportive as the owners implied yesterday in the news stories...

Eatery owners "a wreck" (but still refusing to admit they did anything wrong)

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The owners of an Owen Sound restaurant who laid off a waitress for shaving her head for a cancer fundraiser are a "physical wreck" a day after the story made national headlines.

The door at Nathaniel's, the upscale Owen Sound eatery, was locked last night. The lights were out and a statement was taped to the window.

In the statement, Dan Hilliard and Jeff Ferris -- the restaurant's owner and manager -- reiterated that waitress Stacey Fearnall was not fired and she received fair warning that if she shaved her head for the Cops for Cancer fundraiser it would not be taken lightly.

They called the statement their "final comments" to the media.


Keith (AE) tipped me off about this story on the Facebook group. (We miss you on babble, Keith!)

Fearnall never claimed to have been fired. She told the truth - they laid her off for cutting her hair. And now they get to live with the consequences.

There are tons of employers (especially in the restaurant industry) who get away with this kind of shit all the time because nobody ever hears about it. Sometimes public shaming can be a good thing!


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People can still donate to her cancer fundraising appeal if they feel they want to support Fearnall in that way.

An interesting sidenote - Jeff Ferris, the guy who laid her off for chopping off her hair, donated to her campaign.

BTW, I went 10 pages into the comments after the CBC article, and the commenters there aren't generally the most enlightened people on the planet. And there wasn't even ONE SINGLE COMMENT in support of the owners' action. Not one.

Even babble didn't manage that.

[ 06 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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The front page of today's Waterloo Region Record (really, that's what they call it now) features a pic and a reprint of the CP story.

The CBC coverage has been noted. The CTV National News ran a short piece on it last night, but it was just Lloyd reading the wire copy.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Even babble didn't manage that.

[ 06 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


*sigh*
yeah... This story stole about 20 minutes of sleep last night. I wish someone would go to the restaurant and measure the hair of all the staff, the owner, the manager... what're the odds that a male working at Nathaniel's has hair about the same length as Stacey's? Not that they'll ever admit to being sexist - but I'd find some satisfaction.


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What is even more startling is seeing her picture and realizing that it is not uncommon to see women with their hair that short.

She looks fine.


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quote:
Originally posted by Accidental Altruist:
what're the odds that a male working at Nathaniel's has hair about the same length as Stacey's?

On our recent tour of China and the Three Gorges Dam, our dam guide had just shaved his head. Since he was a former jack-hammer operator built like a truck, he looked like a biker, and joked a lot like one. He joked that, when he came in to work with his head shaved, his boss told him "you're fired" but obviously he wasn't. But he did ask us all what we thought of his shaved head? We all said it suited him.

From Stacey Fearnall's picture on the family blog linked above, in a very few days she will look just like a woman I used to know who was a school trustee in Lindsay. She kept her hair very short for years because it suited her personal style, and people told her it looked sexy. (It did.) It didn't stop her getting elected.


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I do understand that there are dress codes for different jobs. I do think that the dress codes need to be fair to men and women of different backgrounds. Had a male with very short hair served customers at the restaurant, I don't the restaurant owners would have made a fuss.

Also, I could be shocked to see a woman with a headscarf or a man with a turban serving me. It's my problem if I do not accept one's appearance. It's my problem if I do not accept a women whose head is shaved.


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A certain restaurant - not naming any names, mind you! - is getting some pretty bad reviews on this restaurant review site...
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The restaurant's action has the potential to be one of the world's worst PR disasters ever. This should serve as a lesson in how not to treat your employees.
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Or of how to treat an ex-employer when he fires you without just cause. It's sad but women lose jobs all the time on the basis of not meeting an emplyer's notion of how they should look or act like. Kudos for one woman who fought back and made a boss sorry.
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Apology

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The owner of Nathaniel’s Restaurant has apologized for suggesting employee

Stacey Fearnall take a leave of absence when she came to work after shaving her head in the Owen Sound Cops for Cancer fundraiser.

In a written statement, restaurant owner Dan Hilliard offered his “sincere apologies to Mrs. Fearnall, the Canadian Cancer Society, Cops For Cancer and the public for failing to resolve the issue of Mrs. Fearnall shaving her head for Cops For Cancer prior to Mrs. Fearnall contacting the media.”


Note the apology is for failing to resolve, not for being 'wrong' in the first place.


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Actually, based upon what the article mentioned in respect to portions of the apology, not only did he not apologize, he has bascially called her a liar.
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Mrs. Fearnall was not fired. While it is true that there was some discussion of Mrs. Fearnall having the summer off to spend with her children and husband this possibility was not pursued.”

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It's an apology that is:

"I'm sorry you're upset you vase is broken"

not:

"I'm sorry I broke your vase"

I don't think the restaurant will survive this, it hasn't been open since.


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Yeah, that really wasn't an apology at all, was it? Basically, he was saying, "I'm sorry to everyone for Stacey Fearnall's bad behaviour."

Sorry, that's not gonna do it. Are you going to write a letter to the editor, Francesca?

They haven't been open since, huh? That's really something.


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You know, I am torn about the restaurant's failure. On one hand I say "too bad, not sad", because it is quite obvious he considers the employees there his possessions to treat how he wants, and he could have handled the whole thing way better than trying to marginalize her from the outset the way he did by saying patrons there would not want to be served by her.

On the other hand, its potential closing impacts all the families involved, including most likely his, that is if he has a family.

Having said that, he has continually made things worse for himself, including this non-apology, and that suggests, to me, he would do well to be out of the restaurant business for the sake of the employees working for him.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Yeah, that really wasn't an apology at all, was it? Basically, he was saying, "I'm sorry to everyone for Stacey Fearnall's bad behaviour."

Sorry, that's not gonna do it. Are you going to write a letter to the editor, Francesca?

They haven't been open since, huh? That's really something.



uh no

There are two whole pages of letters to the editor in today's paper (they'll be thrilled, they didn't have to pay staff to fill with stuff)


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You know, I feel really bad for the restaurant's owner. Sexism is everywhere in society, especially the kind that thinks it's not okay for a woman to shave her head, that women should adhere to beauty conventions that don't apply to men. In fact, he's not even the only person in the restaurant, let alone Owen Sound, that thinks he was right to do what he did. And do we really think that after Good Morning America runs this story they'll hire a bald woman to anchor the show?

While I think the initial action was horrible, and I feel terribly for the anxiety and shame forced upon the server, the restaurant owner's livelihood is destroyed. Destroyed. Does this punishment really fit the crime? It would be nice if he apologized sincerely for his error, but I can certainly understand the bitterness he must feel after the extreme consequences he suffered. Even the server's family doesn't think he deserves what he got.

How many of us have our livelihoods destroyed with a singular capitulation the sexism that pervades our daily lives? I think there's a shade of scapegoating going on here.

Am I being too sympathetic?


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posted 09 June 2008 10:39 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, we don't know yet that Nathaniel's will close. Downtown restaurants change names, close, sell and are bought all the time: it may even be a lucrative move for the owner.
More to the point, think of all the Ontario bosses who will think twice about pressuring or firing female employees about their looks from now on! I imagine that a lot of waitresses and front-line personnel are silently cheering Fearnall, especially those who don't fit the Hooters stereotype...

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Maybe he can sell it to Ms. Fearnell.
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That attitude is logical if you see her as the privileged, dominant party in this struggle.
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quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
Am I being too sympathetic?
Yes! Ever give any thought to how many women's lives were destroyed because of sexism and actions by employers like this? Apparently not!

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You know, I feel really bad for the restaurant's owner. Sexism is everywhere in society, especially the kind that thinks it's not okay for a woman to shave her head, that women should adhere to beauty conventions that don't apply to men. In fact, he's not even the only person in the restaurant, let alone Owen Sound, that thinks he was right to do what he did. [/qb]
Oh really? Just because sexism is everywhere we should just let it continue unchallenged because some man, who is being sexist, has had his business impacted?

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And do we really think that after Good Morning America runs this story they'll hire a bald woman to anchor the show?
Oh, so unless it is going to be an earth changing action we should just let sexism continue on its merry way, eh?! BS!

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While I think the initial action was horrible, and I feel terribly for the anxiety and shame forced upon the server, the restaurant owner's livelihood is destroyed. Destroyed.
Oh, so some sexist man's income is more important that a employee being treated fairly, and honourably, eh? And what if this action of his destroyed her and her families livihood, what then, his is still more important?

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Does this punishment really fit the crime?
You bet it does. It is more than fucking time, all such sexist acts are exposed to the light of day and then maybe they would stop! Say nothing of how this shows other female employees, that are maltreated, that they do not have to take it.

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It would be nice if he apologized sincerely for his error, but I can certainly understand the bitterness he must feel after the extreme consequences he suffered.
He was the one who started this, with his, what you call an, "error", and he further compounded it, he is not the victim in this situation, other than his victimizing himself. You are walking a very close line of accusations of victimization towards others here when you stated this.

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Even the server's family doesn't think he deserves what he got.
Point?

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[qb]How many of us have our livelihoods destroyed with a singular capitulation the sexism that pervades our daily lives? I think there's a shade of scapegoating going on here.

Again, you are failing to take note of the sexism that has destroyed thousands if not millions of women's lives and careers and you are telling us, basically thats ok, no problem, as long as it is not a "man's" livelihood that is destroyed!

I think there is a definite shade of sexism going on with you!


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I don't think the punishment necessarily fits the crime either, Catchfire, but here's the problem. The restaurant industry - hell the entire service industry - has so many privileged owners and managers who fuck their employees around whenever they can. And they pretty much ALWAYS get away with it. Always.

Few and far between are the times when you see an owner or manager pressured to back down from labour abuses.

So is this guy a scapegoat? I suppose in a way he is since owners of restaurants and stores get away with this kind of shit all the time. But does that mean that because everyone else gets away with it, this guy should too?

He hasn't even admitted he did anything wrong. He could have made this right once the publicity broke. For instance, he could have apologized to Fearnall and offered to match her $2,700 donation (and who knows, maybe shave his head for the cause!) to show that he really means it.

But he didn't. He insisted he did nothing wrong, and that somehow this is her fault for not having done what she was told when they told her they didn't want her to shave her head for this charity. And even this "apology" still implies that it was her fault for going to the media before he had a chance to resolve it with her.

Frankly, I think it's too bad that this sort of workplace abuse doesn't make it to the papers more often.

[ 09 June 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
I think there is a definite shade of sexism going on with you!

Could you please not personally attack people while making your point?


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Could you please not personally attack people while making your point?
Oh? I was not aware that it was any more of a personal attack than catchifre's accusations of our allegedly destroying this man's life because we wanted a scapegoat! I guess I should have left out the "you" as he did.

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Michelle, I think you mean Catchfire, cool dude, not Catchall, brief troll!

As to the topic, well, it's taken a turn hasn't it?

We don't have a lot of information, in terms of what the restaurant owner was/is like as a manager, historically, towards men and women he's employed. Sure we can assume a lot, but we actually don't have that info.

If the restaurant closes, yes, that's a big huge deal.

Sexism and misogyny, and I will link in racism and hatred towards POC into my analysis, are as big a deal as losing your restaurant business to those who experience one or both.

Results? Poor mental and physical health due to stress and harassment on the job, with no recourse. The ongoing wearing down of the soul, mind and body of continuous, ongoing, relentless racism and/or sexism every day, at your job, in the streets, at school, in the home, in the media. To be painfully clear, I'm not trying to be metaphoric and I'm not exaggerating. This is as real and as big a deal as losing one's restaurant business. I could argue bigger, but I don't think this thread is the place to get into that.

Oppression kills, literally. Anyone who argues otherwise hasn't lived it, and listening to someone who has no idea what they're talking about isn't my idea of vigorous intellectual-political exchange. If it happens to be an oppression that you, personally, don't experience, wisdom I have learned is STFU and listen. (I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, btw.)

Punishment fit the crime? I can't say. I didn't want this guy'a restaurant to close but I also don't want there to be any more sexism and racism in the world. Will the closing of this particular restaurant accomplish that? No. Will owner dude realize the error of his ways and become anti-sexist? No. Is that goal even what people wanted, the people who called him and expressed their disagreement with him over this? I have no idea.

I'd be willing to bet that other things have gone on, as I said at the start, that we, those of us who don't live in Owen Sound and don't know the situation, have no access to. We only have some of the story of why people have reacted to the situation in this way. This could very well have been the last straw, or an "excuse" to turn against him, who knows. I doubt a bunch of people, non-Owen Sound residents, who weren't going to be customers anyways, calling and being abusive, would be enough of a reason to close permanently.


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If this restaurant closes, it’s because customers didn’t like the stupid conduct of the owner and manager. It may seem harsh or arbitrary to some, but customers have the right to do that. That’s one of the beautiful things about a free-market.

So, I don’t feel bad for the owner and manager—because they are the ones who made this decision. I do feel a bit bad for the rest of the employees—because they will, if the restaurant closes, be out of a job (at least for a little while).


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I suppose I was a bit unclear. I take it for granted that this woman suffered sexism, and that there should never be excuses for this sort of behaviour. I also think the reaction by the public was justified, because as many have mentioned, employers will think twice (we hope) before doing something this absurd again.

My concern (and remind, honestly, I think I deserved a bit more good faith) comes from the fact that the outrage that incidents like this generate is largely histrionic and sensationalistic. I feel like the sentiment around this woman lets us off the hook from the pervasive sexism entrenched in our soicety, as if leaving abusive messages and destructive reviews makes up for the fact that most people think women shouldn't shave their heads, should look nice and cowtow to male authority. When corporate America (like GMA) starts holding up these incidents as pet causes under the aegis of "feminism," well, we should be getting suspicious.

I'm not so much asking us to have a heart for this restaurant owner (although I do feel sorry for him) so much as questioning why our "outrage" is directed at him, and not at why he felt it was okay to act like this in the first place.


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So, do you feel that people should only deplore constructs, and not support the people hurt by particularly egregious instances of them (histrionics), nor take on the people actually benefitting from these constructs (scapegoating)? Is this some kind of post-political ethic we should know about?
In waht way does a specific battle "let us off the hook" from confronting the issue at hand? More people are discussing workplace stereotypes and harassment by bosses today in Ontario than ever before. Isn't that positive?

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I'll let you read my post again, martin. Start with the first paragraph this time.
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Superciliousness won't cut it. I read both of your paragraphs and I am addressing the second.
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quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
I take it for granted that this woman suffered sexism, and that there should never be excuses for this sort of behaviour. I also think the reaction by the public was justified, because as many have mentioned, employers will think twice (we hope) before doing something this absurd again.

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quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
I suppose I was a bit unclear.
No I do not think you were unclear, in fact I think you were, and are, being perfectly clear.

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I take it for granted that this woman suffered sexism,
of course you would take it for granted, as would most thinking people, as it permiates everything, everywhere, all the time.

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...I also think the reaction by the public was justified, because as many have mentioned, employers will think twice (we hope) before doing something this absurd again.
No, I do not believe you think the reation by the public was justified. As you go on to say:

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My concern (and remind, honestly, I think I deserved a bit more good faith) comes from the fact that the outrage that incidents like this generate is largely histrionicand sensationalistic.
Sorry, but your having said this, does little to foster my good faith. Moreover, you have taken back the words that you believe people's outrage was justified, when you say this above. say nothing about how more firmly you retract justified reactions below.

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I feel like the sentiment around this woman lets us off the hook from the pervasive sexism entrenched in our soicety,
Who is "us" catchfire?

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as if leaving abusive messages and destructive reviews makes up for the fact that most people think women shouldn't shave their heads, should look nice and cowtow to male authority.
apparently you fail to realize that it was justified, and it is an excellent example to make of sexist male. I stand by my first posted points, it seems as though you believe there should be some other circumstance, or miracle, that would make men stop being sexist, and women should not take the opportunity to illuminate it when they have the, well, the opportunity to so so!

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When corporate America (like GMA) starts holding up these incidents as pet causes under the aegis of "feminism," well, we should be getting suspicious.
Should we? why?

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I'm not so much asking us to have a heart for this restaurant owner (although I do feel sorry for him) so much as questioning why our "outrage" is directed at him, and not at why he felt it was okay to act like this in the first place.
We know why! And how else are you going to challenge sexism without pointing it out in a very public and proactive way?

Sorry, IMV, as a man you do not get why we are outraged as women, nor why we are.


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Catchfire, I understand what you are saying but it is a whole lot easier to make an example of this man than it is to create a society where sexism is non-existent.

Personally, I think that had this woman not been involved in fund raising for cancer, and had shaved her head because maybe that is what she likes to do when weather gets warm, there wouldn't be too many outraged males, that's for sure. In fact, I'd bet money on it the abuse would mainly be heaped on the woman.


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posted 09 June 2008 03:54 PM      Profile for just one of the concerned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I called the restaurant. I think this is outrageous.

quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
That’s one of the beautiful things about a free-market.

I like how you snuck that in there.

[ 09 June 2008: Message edited by: just one of the concerned ]


From: in the cold outside of the cjc | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged
remind
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posted 09 June 2008 06:01 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
...it is a whole lot easier to make an example of this man than it is to create a society where sexism is non-existent.
I believe this type of action is one step more towards a society where there is no sexism.

quote:
Personally, I think that had this woman not been involved in fund raising for cancer, and had shaved her head because maybe that is what she likes to do when weather gets warm, there wouldn't be too many outraged males, that's for sure. In fact, I'd bet money on it the abuse would mainly be heaped on the woman.

I tend to agree with this view, it was really an opportunity to make hay while the sun shines, IMV, where factors contributed to allow maximum spotlight upon sexist practises in the food industry.


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Michelle
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posted 09 June 2008 06:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A restaurant review web site is donating up to $6,000 to Fearnall's cancer campaign after receiving over 500 outraged reviews of Nathaniel's.

I know, I know, it's all about marketing and publicity, but still, pretty neat!


From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
JulieAnd
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posted 10 June 2008 09:49 PM      Profile for JulieAnd        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've read Mr. Fearnall's (Stacey's husband) blog. In the comments section, he clearly states that it was NOT Stacey who went to the media with her story; it was a couple of her friends who did.

This flies in the face of yet another one of Dan Hilliard's lies when he says he would have liked to work things out "before Mrs. Fearnall went to the media".

Way to dig Stacey with your so-called apology, Hilliard. Who's your PR spin doctor, anyway? You should fire him, as this apology is as transparent as glass. I'm not buying it, and I doubt any other intelligent person would, either.

Hilliard's statement that Nathaniel's is " like a family" makes me sick. The only family that hurts each other worse is the mafia.

Continue the boycott!

Sign the petition!

http://www.petitiononline.com/JulieAnd/


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martin dufresne
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posted 10 June 2008 10:24 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Stargazer: ...Personally, I think that had this woman not been involved in fund raising for cancer, and had shaved her head because maybe that is what she likes to do when weather gets warm, there wouldn't be too many outraged males, that's for sure.

Still, these two elements are not independent, suggesting opportunism and another reason for the boycott than standing up to sexism.
It seems to me that Nathaniel's sexism in laying off Fearnall is particularly egregious by the fact that the owner refused to take into account her motivation - advocacy for cancer patients -, as if a restaurant owner's idea of how his female personnel should look like trumped any excellent reason she may have for her choices. Not unlike bosses who assert that they don't care why a mother is late when she faced a family emergency.
Great news, Michelle!

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