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Ethical Redneck
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posted 08 March 2005 05:28 AM      Profile for Ethical Redneck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey Y'all. Since today is IWD (now in both time zones around here), I thought I would see if anyone could provide some info on the origins of the day.

I have read that IWD is actually a labour memorial day dedicated to the struggles and activities of women workers around the globe. But there is a dispute over where and when it started.

One take is that it started in 1911 to commemorate the deaths of over 200 female workers in a shirt factory in either Massachusetts or Michigan.

Another take is that it started much earlier from the mass strikes by mostly female textile workers in New England in the 1850s.

Still another take is that it originated in Europe proclaimed by the Socialist International in the 1890s to honour similar efforts by female textile workers.

Does anybody have any info on which is correct?


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skdadl
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posted 08 March 2005 09:03 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ethical Redneck, the Wikipedia article takes account of all those various inspirations.

The fire that killed women working in the garment industry in New York City in 1911 was the famous Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire, and it is worth following the links to that horrifying if historically galvanizing outrage.

But as the Wikipedia article says, talk of an international day had been about for some decades; and the first relevant protest to occur on 8 March happened, again in New York, among women and child garment workers, in 1857. The day moved about for a time, but it seems to have been European women who re-established 8 March as a day for peace rallies at the time of WWI.


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posted 08 March 2005 09:05 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Triangle Factory Fire

Read and weep.


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posted 08 March 2005 10:37 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
The Triangle Factory Fire

Read and weep.


Exactly. So tragic that it took these completely avoidable deaths to finally get safer more humane conditions for workers in the garment district and elsewhere. And it made the ILGWU a force from that point on.

The site of the fire used to be on the "Anarchist's Tour of NYC," although I don't know if thats offered anymore.


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posted 08 March 2005 10:47 AM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I recall back in the school days, in the USSR, we would bring all kinds of gifts for girls on this day. That was the great costume throughout the country. The gifts would include flowers, chocolates, books and other staff. Same would be for the female teachers-usually just flowers thought. Good feelings and memories associated with this day indeed.
Wishing all females of all ages and sexual orientations a happy International Woman's Day!

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"Around the world, International Women's Day (IWD) marks a celebration of the economic, social, cultural and political achievements for women.

The first IWD was held on 19 March 1911 in Germany, Austria, Denmark and further European countries. German women selected this date because in 1848 the Prussian king had promised the vote for women. Subsequently over one million leaflets calling for action on the right to vote were distributed throughout Germany before IWD in 1911.

Now IWD is always celebrated on 8 March and is an occasion marked by women's groups around the world. This date is also commemorated at the United Nations and is designated in many countries as a national holiday. Women in every country, often divided by ethnic, linguistic, cultural, economic and political differences, come together to celebrate this important date that represents equality, justice, peace and development."


Full Story


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lagatta
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posted 08 March 2005 11:00 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If only tragedies like the Triangle Fire had not until modern times. The worst factory fire ever - once again mostly women workers - was at the Kadar Toy Factory in Thailand. http://www.maquilasolidarity.org/campaigns/toy/

"On May 10, 1993, 188 workers died and 500 were injured in the world's worst ever factory fire at Kadar Industrial Toy Company in Thailand. A government inquiry found that faulty building design, lack of fire exits and poor safety exits meant that workers couldn't escape in time. The main exit of the building was locked, and there were no fire alarms or extinguishers. Kadar's principal investor was one of Asia's largest toy contractors, its most famous products being Bart Simpson and Cabbage Patch dolls".

Here are some poems about the Triangle fire
http://poetrysuperhighway.com/ppa6.html
Julia Stein - Triangle Fire

and by the great "sweatshop poet" Morris Rosenfeld (who usually wrote in Yiddish):

Neither battle nor fiendish pogrom
Fills this great city with sorrow;
Nor does the earth shudder or lightning rend the heavens,
No clouds darken, no cannon's roar shatters the air.
Only hell's fire engulfs these slave stalls
And Mammon devours our sons and daughters.
Wrapt in scarlet flames, they drop to death from his maw
And death receives them all...
On this Sabbath
When an avalanche of red blood and fire
Pours forth from the god of gold on high
As now my tears stream forth unceasingly.
Damned be the rich!
Damned be the system!
Damned be the world!


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audra trower williams
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posted 08 March 2005 12:19 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm gonna move this to the Feminism forum ...
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belva
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posted 08 March 2005 12:46 PM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You will find a summary of some of this history in my post here in "feminism" at March And Our History Challenges Us on 25 February.

All of the groups, movements & dates cited above have validity--close study of the history reveals that usually some tie of ideas & persons influenced the others.

History is a flood of human experience, not a line of march.


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posted 08 March 2005 12:48 PM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
The Triangle Factory Fire

Read and weep.


I weep for my sisters while I swear on their graves:"You have not died in vain!"


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Here is the full text of the Morris Rosenfeld requiem for the Triangle Fire victims, with the stunning curse at the end. I wonder if there is anything similar for the Kadar Toy workers, in Thai?

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5479.html

Poet Morris Rosenfeld, known as the “poet laureate of the slum and the sweatshop,” penned this memorial to the victims four days after the fire. The Jewish Daily Forward printed the poem down the full length of its front page.
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Neither battle nor fiendish pogrom

Fills this great city with sorrow;

Nor does the earth shudder or lightning rend the heavens,

No clouds darken, no cannon’s roar shatters the air.

Only hell’s fire engulfs these slave stalls

And Mammon devours our sons and daughters.

Wrapt in scarlet flames, they drop to death from his maw

And death receives them all.

Sisters mine, oh my sisters; brethren

Hear my sorrow:

See where the dead are hidden in dark corners,

Where life is choked from those who labor.

Oh, woe is me, and woe is to the world

On this Sabbath

When an avalanche of red blood and fire

Pours forth from the god of gold on high

As now my tears stream forth unceasingly.

Damned be the rich!

Damned be the system!

Damned be the world!

Over whom shall we weep first?

Over the burned ones?

Over those beyond recognition?

Over those who have been crippled?

Or driven senseless?

Or smashed?

I weep for them all.

Now let us light the holy candles

And mark the sorrow

Of Jewish masses in darkness and poverty.

This is our funeral,

These our graves,

Our children,

The beautiful, beautiful flowers destroyed,

Our lovely ones burned,

Their ashes buried under a mountain of caskets.

There will come a time

When your time will end, you golden princes. Meanwhile,

Let this haunt your consciences:

Let the burning building, our daughters in flame Be the nightmare that destroys your sleep,

The poison that embitters your lives,

The horror that kills your joy.

And in the midst of celebrations for your children,

May you be struck blind with fear over the Memory of this red avalanche

Until time erases you.

Source: Morris Rosenfeld, Jewish Daily Forward. Reprinted and translated in Leon Stein, The Triangle Fire (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1962), 145–146.


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posted 08 March 2005 12:56 PM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you, lagotta, for finding the whole text.
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Query (from the teacher part of me--which means I know the answer already): Who can identify Sarah Emma Edmonds, Canadian born, & pioneer in U. S. history?

She & women like her constitute the reasons for International Women's Day, Women's History Month & Women's History programs.

Extra credit to the person who can identify her date & place of death.

Extra extra credit-- my nom de plume I borrowed from an important woman in U. S. history--can you name her? Can you identify her contribution to international women's movements?


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I knew Sarah Emma Edmonds! I mean, without having to google her "Nurse and spy in the Union army". I knew her as I did biographical research on a series of women spies for a documentary - though I don't think the latter project actually got made. There is an old copy of her autobiography http://womenshistory.about.com/library/pic/bl_p_civil_war_nurse_edmonds.htm in the Osler library of the history of medicine at McGill University in Montréal.

Edmonds is an important illustration between the links between the Abolitionist movement - in the US, Britain and elsewhere - and the first wave feminist movement (although there is a still earlier wave linked to the French revolution ... and its largely unfulfilled promises for women as citizens).

I didn't know Belva ... Lockwood, was it?, the legal pioneer.

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posted 08 March 2005 04:04 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
belva, I'm 75 per cent cheating.

I did remember Sarah Edmonds as a woman who had an interesting career as a cross-dresser. But the rest I had to google.

Born December 1841 in York County [?], New Brunswick, she had run away from home and fetched up in Michigan at the time of the U.S. Civil War, whereupon "she enlisted as a private in the Second Michigan Infantry in Detroit on May 25, 1861 as Frank Thompson--in a volunteer infantry company in Flint that became Company F. Her disguise was a complete success for nearly 2 years."

And would this be the Belva?

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In 1879, Belva Lockwood became the first woman to practice law before the U.S. Supreme Court, and in 1981, Sandra Day O'Connor became the first woman to become a member of the Supreme Court.

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Oops: date and place of death:

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Sarah Edmonds Seelye died September 5, 1898, in La Porte Texas. She is buried in Washington Cemetery, Houston Texas, in lot G-26. This is a GAR lot that belonged to George B. McClellan Post of the Grand Army of the Republic.

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Very well done, class!

Sarah Emma Edmonds was one of many women who served cross-dressed on both sides in the War of Rebellion [oops--are my Yankee roots showing??] and the ONLY woman to belong to the Grand Army of the Republic, the gigantic Union veterans group, after the war.

Belva Ann Lockwood was the first woman admitted to practice before the U. S. Supreme Court. Anyone identify her international contributions? Hint--she would fit right in with several threads on this board!


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posted 08 March 2005 04:14 PM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
belva, I'm 75 per cent cheating.


Yes, skdadl, you cheated! I hoped you'd let someone else try. But very well done in any fashion!


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Belva, first a question from up here. Where and what is la maison Parent-Roback and whom is it named for?
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quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
There is an old copy of her autobiography http://womenshistory.about.com/library/pic/bl_p_civil_war_nurse_edmonds.htm in the Osler library of the history of medicine at McGill University in Montréal.

Edmonds is an important illustration between the links between the Abolitionist movement - in the US, Britain and elsewhere - and the first wave feminist movement (although there is a still earlier wave linked to the French revolution ... and its largely unfulfilled promises for women as citizens).
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The book is a treat--I borrowed a copy years ago through inter-library loan--great reading, 19th century style.

Yes, the connections between Canadian, British & U.S. women in anti-slavery are very, very important. Unfortunately, scholars have not done much with those areas--yet!


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quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
Belva, first a question from up here. Where and what is la maison Parent-Roback and whom is it named for?

Frankly, I don't know--I'll have to research that. In what context did you find the reference?


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quote:
Originally posted by venus_man:
I recall back in the school days, in the USSR, we would bring all kinds of gifts for girls on this day.

Yes, that's how it was in Poland too. I'd forgotten about that! Brings back good memories. It was sweet, everyone from the littlest boys to the oldest men would give flowers to all women, from classmates to bus drivers to professors. Anyone here know the origins of that custom (while we're talking about origins)? It was one of those things that I would probably find uncomfortable in the US, but seemed really sweet in Poland for some reason.


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Well there Belva! Sure glad some other folks had the answers, because your quiz certainly had uninformed Canadian hillbilly stumped!

Actually, maybe if folks could remind me as well, there were a couple of well-respected Canadian women from that same era who helped the Quakers run the underground railroad, smuggling slaves out of the US to freedom (relatively that is) in Canada. Anyone remember their names, because I don't.

As to the articles posted by skadadl, yes, very informative, and very tragic. But even more tragic, I think, is that disasters like the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire in 1911 still seem to be going today in various parts of the world.

I remember reading I believe about four years ago a fire in a plant in China, were hundreds of men, women and children died because of poor safety practices and because they were locked inside.

As for IWD itself, I remember when I was just a young-un, my grandmother, who was active in the old mineworkers ladies auxiliary, talking about "Il giorno delle donne lavoratrice" (Italian for "Day of the Women Workers"). She always said that day wasn't just for women, but for everybody, since there was no way that male workers organizing without female support could ever establish a truly free society. She had little formal education and could barely speak English, but she had a lot of insight.

Anyone remember this old tune:

As we come marching marching
In the beauty of the day
A million darkened kitchens
A thousand mill lofts gray

Are touched with all the radiance
That a sudden sun discloses
As the people hear us singing
Give us Bread and Give Us Roses.


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quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
Belva, first a question from up here. Where and what is la maison Parent-Roback and whom is it named for?

Thank you for the discovery of Lea Roback--what a story! All the seach materials which I located are in French (with translations which did not seem linguistically accurate, 'tho my French is weak!) Is there a detailed biography of her?

I note that she died in August, 2000. I hope that someone recorded an oral/cinematic history before her passing. Did you know her, lagatta?

Days like today & discussions such as this prompt me to study more. They also remind me of how much we must teach our children & grand-children. Stories of women such as Lea Roback & Belva Lockwood are much more important than those of "captains of industry" [mostly all male] and "brilliant generals" [mostly all male].

Clio, we need your inspiration & help!!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by Ethical Redneck:

As we come marching marching
In the beauty of the day
A million darkened kitchens
A thousand mill lofts gray

Are touched with all the radiance
That a sudden sun discloses
As the people hear us singing
Give us Bread and Give Us Roses.


Yes! From the Lawrence, Massachusetts, textile workers strike of 1911. A friend of mine sings it in clubs & coffeehouses around Pennsylvania. Every time I hear her perfom it, I weep. She won't play it if I'm sitting where she can see me because then we both cry & interupt her performance.


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Yes, I knew Léa Roback quite well, and I know Madeleine Parent who is also an old-time leftist trade-unionist. Both became far more explicitly feminist with age, though they had always fought for women's rights.

Both were/are fluent in both French and English (I believe Léa spoke Yiddish, Polish and perhaps German as well). You may find Léa's first name spelled as Leah - she was from Québec City which is why it is usually transcribed in the French spelling.

There is a National Film Board film about Roback - it is available in both languages. I'll try to find more details. There is also a book of interviews with both women, but I don't think it has been translated into English.
You'll find more info in both languages on the Fondation Léa-Roback website: http://www.fondationlearoback.org/accueil.htm

La Maison Parent-Roback is an old stone building in Old Montréal which houses several women's groups and feminist meetings and activities. I presume that when Judes' book is launched here it will take place there.

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I tried to copy & paste a photo of Lockwood but it failed to come through.

Some years ago, when I was admitted to the Supreme Court, I went to her grave in Washington & placed flowers there in thanksgiving.

We owe a great debt to our foremothers.


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The lyrics to "Give us bread and give us roses" made me think of another old song, this one from the British suffragette struggles of exactly a century ago, "Shoulder to Shoulder."

Has anyone else seen Midge MacKenzie's brilliant BBC series of that name and on that struggle (originally made in 1974, I think, rebroadcast on PBS in 1975, and then occasionally since -- I first saw it in the late eighties, I think)?

I have been looking for the lyrics to the song that played over the credits to that series, which I am assuming was a song of the time, "Shoulder to Shoulder." It is gorgeous and stirring, especially once you know exactly how much those women went through in that long and agonized battle simply to get the vote. (Alas, the lyrics just don't seem to be online.)

The series focuses partly on the Pankhursts, of course, mother and daughters, but also brings to life a long line of amazingly brave women who risked their lives for years merely protesting, went to prison, suffered force-feeding (which in those days could easily kill people) during their hunger strikes -- all to win the vote.

I so wish that wonderful series were available on video (can't find that, either). Once seen, never forgotten. Here's to the suffragettes!

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