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blake 3:17
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posted 24 December 2006 06:03 PM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Still Smearing Ralph Nader for 2000
By SAM SMITH

The Atlantic Monthly is perpetuating the Ralph Nader myth, blaming him for Bush's election in 2000. This is, at best sloppy journalism; at saddest, extreme denial; and at worst a plain lie. Here are just a few of the actual facts:

* A Progressive Review study of poll results throughout the campaign found no correlation between Bush's percentage change and that of Nader except in July and August when the change was minimal.

* For example, in September of 2000, Gore's average poll result went up 7.5 points over August, Nader's only declined by one point. Similarly, in November, Gore's average poll tally declined 5.7 points but Nader's only went up 0.8 points.

* In Florida, it was also true. In nine successive surveys in which Nader pulled only two or three points, Gore's total varied by seven points. As late as two weeks before the election, Gore was ahead by as much as seven to ten points.

* As Michael Eisencher reported in Z Magazine, 20% of all Democratic voters, 12% of all self-identified liberal voters, 39% of all women voters, 44% of all seniors, one-third of all voters earning under $20,000 per year and 42% of those earning $20-30,000 annually, and 31% of all voting union members cast their ballots for Bush.

* According to exit polling, those who voted for Nader were disproportionately under 30, independent, first time voters, formerly Perot voters, and of no organized religion. Sixty-two percent of Nader's voters were Republicans, independents, third-party voters and nonvoters. In other words, many of his voters did not naturally belong o the Democratic party.

* The public had a cynical view of both major candidates with 41% believing that both would say anything to win votes. Barely half considered either major candidate honest and trustworthy. And an astounding 51% had reservations about their own vote.

* Perhaps the most important, but seldom mentioned, factor in the outcome was the impact of the Clinton scandals. 68% of voters thought Clinton would go down in history more for his scandals than for his leadership. 44% said that the scandals were somewhat to very important and 57% thought the country to be on the wrong moral track.

* In short, the individual who did the most harm to Gore (aside from himself) was Bill Clinton. If Gore had distanced himself from the Clinton moral miasma he would probably be president today.

* Kevin Zeese points out that had Nader not run, Bush would have won by more in Florida. CNN's exit poll showed Bush at 49% and Gore at 47%, with two percent not voting in a hypothetical Nader-less Florida race.

* Gore lost his home state of Tennessee, Bill Clinton's Arkansas and traditionally Democratic West Virginia; with any one of these, Gore would have won.

* Nine million Democrats voted for Bush, and less than half of the three million Nader voters were Democrats.

Zeese also notes, "The Democrats lost the 2002 congressional elections, the California and New York governorships, and many state legislatures throughout the country."

Surely Nader is not to blame for those defeats.

Sam Smith is the publisher of the Progressive Review, where this essay originally appeared.

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500_Apples
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posted 24 December 2006 07:30 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's not be deceitful, clearly Nader was indirectly responsible for the Bush victory. There were tens of thousands of green votes in florida, and Gore only "lost" florida by around 600 votes. One poll result I recall was that if not for the green part, some one quarter of their supporters would have gone republican, one third would have abstained or to another third party... and the rest Democrat. That would have meant a democratic government.

People should be careful when deciding to split their votes. The world would look very different today if Al Gore was president. There would (likely) be a conflict in Afghanistan but not in Iraq, there might not have been a lebanon conflict, there would be more respect for environmental issues, there would be less higher taxes and less national debt which will eventually cripple social democracy down there, and NASA would be focused on robotic science missions rather than manned exploration.


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M. Spector
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posted 24 December 2006 08:13 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Let's not be deceitful, clearly Nader was indirectly responsible for the Bush victory.
Hey, never let the facts (see above) get in the way of a good myth!

The reason Bush "won" (apart from the chicanery of the Supreme Court) was that too many people voted for him. Blaming the people who voted for Nader instead of the people who voted for Bush is just plain deceitful, to use your term.


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Ken Burch
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posted 25 December 2006 03:12 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The real answer is, of course, that everybody here is at least partly right:

1)mathmatically speaking, Nader did take many more votes in Florida than the margin of votes Bush was credited with defeating Gore by in the state;

2)Gore was heavily responsible for doing poorly enough in Florida and nationally that Nader's showing there was a factor. Gore's failure to run more strongly was clearly due to his adamant refusal to make any serious effort to reach out to progressive voters during the fall campaign;

3)Nader could have offered to withdraw from the race if Gore would make a few serious concessions to him on policy issues, but instead he plowed on to the end despite the fact that it was clear the race was tightening and that he would be demonized by the Democrats if Bush prevailed narrowly. Nader could also have gone along with the "vote-swapping" campaigns that Gore and Nader supporters were doing on their own(I.E., that some Gore voters in safe states would vote for Nader in order to lift him above the 5% threshold for federal matching funds in exchange for Nader voters in battleground states throwing their votes to Gore) but, in a senseless display of rigidity, Nader refused to do this;

4)Gore failed to make a serious challenge on the question of the 60,000 African American voters who were unjustly removed from the Florida voting rolls, as well as the other manipulations of the voting system in that state.
Gore's team did not fight on this issue with anywhere near the passion and intensity of the Bush/Cheney supporters in the state, and the refusal of even one Senate Democrat to support Florida Democratic Rep. Carrie Meek's challenge to the award of Florida's electors to Bush is a permanent blot on the Democratic Party's reputation;

So it's not a simple question of who, exactly, was to blame for Mr. Bush's unelected elevation to the U.S. presidency.

[ 25 December 2006: Message edited by: Ken Burch ]

[ 27 December 2006: Message edited by: Ken Burch ]


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Fidel
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posted 25 December 2006 10:57 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The plutocrats must have been laughing their heads off.
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