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jianadaren
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posted 21 June 2005 02:43 AM      Profile for jianadaren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wasn't too sure where to put this.

I may have an opportunity to work in Montreal. Can anyone help me with things like the cost of living, cost of renting an apartment, etc.? There is always lots of info on the net, but I like to hear about personal experiences, perceptions, etc.

Thanks fellow Babblers for any help you can give me.


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lagatta
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posted 21 June 2005 08:15 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although rental costs in Montréal have risen dramatically, they remain considerably lower than Toronto or Ottawa for example. But to tell you more, I'd have to know what you are looking for. Are you a single person, a couple, a family or other household? Where would you be working?

If you are working anywhere in the city centre, it is adviseable to try to find somewhere not far from the métro. I live up near Jean-Talon, where there are two métro lines and several buses, including three all-night buses. Despite some gentrification of late, it is still cheaper than the Plateau or right downtown, but very accessible for transport - great foodie place too, with the market and thereabouts.

But all of this depends on your wants and needs.

Do you speak French? Even if your job offer may not require French, you will find it necessary for work and social life. As a newcomer you are probably eligible for subsidised French classes.


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jianadaren
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posted 21 June 2005 08:10 PM      Profile for jianadaren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks lagatta. Perhaps you could give me a range of rental prices: everything from a single boarding situation to a two-bedroom apartment. Of course, you can leave out the low-end flop houses to the high-end mansions and condos.

I would definitely take advantage of subsidized French classes.

Thanks for the info.


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posted 21 June 2005 11:14 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really can't do that - the range is too large, and I don't have time to research everything. Consult the major dailies: La Presse www.cyberpresse.ca The Montreal Gazette, Le Devoir - not sure if Le Journal de Montréal has its small ads posted - and "alternative" papers like Voir www.voir.ca and the Montreal Mirror www.montrealmirror.com - Those addresses are from memory - hope they are accurate.

You could also seek out more temporary accomodation and do your search from here. A clean, basic, and economical place to stay in the SUMMER is the residences at Université du Québec, McGill and Université de Montréal. (If Concordia has a residence, it would be way out at Loyola, in western NDG).

The rent depends a lot on the neighbourhood and the state of the building (leaving out the cruddiest and most luxurious).


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jianadaren
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posted 24 June 2005 12:02 AM      Profile for jianadaren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks again for the info. I received more information last night. I would be working in Dorval.

I am really hoping all this comes together. It would be nice to live in a larger centre. Actually, when I was younger, my family lived in Lachine.

It might be great for my wife and I to meet some Montreal-based babblers.


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lagatta
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posted 24 June 2005 01:00 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dorval is a suburb of Montréal on the West Island. It is also, of course, where the main airport is located, since the huge white elephant, Mirabel, closed down.

It is quite an old suburb - I'm no expert on housing around there as I am a militant urbanite, but in addition to the papers I cited, you could also look up "The Suburban" - Joel Goldenberg, an occasional babbler - is a journalist for that weekly and might be able to help you more. Part of Dorval is write on the St-Lawrence River where it becomes "Lac Saint-Louis" - quite scenic. An interesting point in that area is that a lot of Inuit, who commute from Northern Québec for business, health and educational reasons, have settled there.

Lachine is right next to Dorval - closer to Montréal proper - and might be a good compromise between living in Dorval - I think that would be rather dull, but as I say I'm no expert - and commuting "backwards" from Montréal. One of the main bicycle paths out from Montréal goes to Lachine along the canal. Lachine is most varied economically - some parts are rather run-down, those by the riverside more chic, with nice cafés etc. There is a commuter train from downtown Montréal out to the end of the island (Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue) and beyond, and I think there are two stops in Dorval.


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posted 24 June 2005 11:19 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I grew up in a suburb just next door to Dorval (Pointe-Claire).

As lagatta says, Dorval is accessible via the commuter train, and it's also a bus hub, so many buses meet up there. The Société de Transport de Montréal website has a lot of good info. You can see that many neighborhoods give you access to Dorval.

Good friends of mine lived in Dorval, right near Lachine. It didn't seem to have much of a community feel, and they didn't like it very much. Quite boring, ugly, strip-malls, basically a suburban wasteland. Lachine has a bit more stuff, and down by Lachine park is livable (for a suburb), but parts of it are quite economically depressed, especially since the Lachine Hospital closed a couple of years ago.

My recommendation to people in Montreal is *always* to avoid the suburbs. Montreal is too nice to end up living in Dorval. I myself ended up living on the border of the Plateau and La Petite Patrie, and I had to commute every day to St Anne de Bellevue for Cegep. It was long, but worth it.

In light of that, check out the STM map. I'm pretty sure some more interesting places, like St Henri, have bus access to Dorval. Living around there would be much more interesting.

But if you look at it the other way, one good thing about Dorval and Lachine is that they're relatively close to downtown.

lagatta posted to the Voir, so i won't repost it, but it has a reputation for having the best apartment listings in the city.

The McGill classified site may prove handy when you want to furnish your place. It may even have some apartment listings.


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posted 24 June 2005 09:21 PM      Profile for jianadaren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks again lagatta, and to kingblake too. My wife and I would definitely like the urban environment with its coffee shops, etc. My wife is a journalist/professional photographer so I am sure the opportunities in Montreal would be plentiful.

I am also a pilot, and through research have found that the Laurentian Flying Club has a field out in Cedre, just to the west of Dorval (I am not too sure how "just" just is). I would like to live in between those two locations if it is convenient. It certainly sounds like commuting in Montreal is convenient. In someways it would be nice not to have a car but I am sure reality would not make that possible. I really want to avoid flying out of a large urban airport if possible.

Much for my wife and I to consider.

Thanks again.


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posted 24 June 2005 09:38 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Montreal, there is a great alternative between "having" and "not having" a car: Communauto, a car-sharing network: http://www.communauto.com/ Mycroft started another thread on this topic of car-sharing.

There are nice neighbourhoods in the western part of Montréal - especially NDG - though I don't know if that would be more convenient for you.


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posted 30 June 2005 12:17 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, if you're looking for somewhere 'between Dorval and Cedar', you're talking about Pointe-Claire. If you absolutely must, the most livable parts of PC are Valois (where I grew up) and Pointe-Claire village. Both are more or less close to highway 20, which gets you downtown in 20 minutes, and each has what in suburbs can pass for pleasantness.

Valois is a bit sleepy, but less crappy than most of the Waste Island. Pointe-Claire village is a bit too faux-touristy for my taste, a bit like old Montreal but more white bread (if that's possible).

Before choosing either, consider NDG. A bit further east, but very livable. I'm sure they have a bus that goes to Dorval and beyond.


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posted 10 July 2005 08:32 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Waste Island...! huge smiley

(That's for "West Island", kingblake, the enormous on-island suburbia of Montreal, which once upon a time, in the 60s when I grew up in it, was culturally and socially as close to Montreal as it was to Cincinatti...or so it seemed in the Beaconsfield waspnest.

(Beautiful, though, in a leafy way...)


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lagatta
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posted 10 July 2005 09:18 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't Montreal-West, not far from the Loyola Campus of Concordia, on that train line?

As kingblake and I have said, we are hardcore urbanites, but old Montreal-West has an English village feel that certainly has its charm. Sure, Pointe-Claire Village can be "touristy" in the summer, but it is pretty, and has nice cafés and amenities.

If I were you, I'd plot out transport lines and commutes, and see whether there is a spot you like in NDG that is accessible both to the downtown core (remember, that includes the McGill Ghetto and the Plateau, not just the forest of office buildings and the plastic strip on Ste-Catherines) and to work near Dorval.


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jas
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posted 11 July 2005 12:45 AM      Profile for jas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Two neighbourhoods that I would have liked to check out while I still lived there would be Lachine and NDG. I love Outremont, but hopelessly out of reach rent-wise. I wonder if with all the recent gentrification, some of what were the more working class neighbourhoods (like Lachine) might have benefited (eg; some of the arts and student crowd, young families, funky businesses moving there)? What's Montreal Est like these days price-wise, anyone know? How I miss Montreal.
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