anyways, my topic is: Madonna.

From a recent article i read about her, she said she did all those sex crazed things in her early 90s was BS. She stated that she was a "ego-driven nutcase" who thought she was doing a service to mankind, liberating women and all that.

She no longer believes in that.

But i think she did a favor to women. I dont think she is a feminist/activist in the strict sense, but i do think that she helped women and inspired them in some way.

what are you guys thought on the now Mellow-Madonna?

You remember when she used to bash Nancy Regan and would not allowed George W Bush 's daughters to come to her show in 2001?
She is quite political. She also has a new video coming out showing the horror of wars and how it is used to perserve the American lifestyle. The song is called "American life" Its an anti-war video according to Madonna's spokesperson.

so how has Madonna impacted (or not) the women in the past 20 years? Any opinon?

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She played the publicity machine, and was provocative and exploitive enough to achieve this end.

Joni Mitchell says:

"She has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena. She's manufactured. She's made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people,"

This is what i wrote about Madonna earlier at another forum.

Madonna is an empowering icon for female artists everywhere. She is sexy, daring , intelligent and provactive. She inspires women in a way that women can both be sexy and intelligent and be taken seriously at the same time.

She empowers women and gays that the world do not have to be dominated by white heterosexual men only. She inspires oppressed people to be more comfortable in their own sexuality and to love themself.

She raised AIDS awarness, which very few people dared to touch in the 80s.

she knows how to manipulate the media and the public with her image. She knows how to play the game so she can change , bend, reinvent her own set of rules now many artistis are living by.

ed. for typo , grammar, etc. lol.

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And good point about her questioning the stats qo for women's behaviours by masturbating in public.

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Madonna only did that in her concert. She became kind of sex crazed for a few years but then she stopped after she felt that her message has been received by the public. She moved on.

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She was the first to mix it up racially, no? In the mainstream?

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Not sure what you mean by "mix it up." If you mean suggest interracial sex in her videos, could be. If you mean involve black musicians in her recordings and shows... doubtful. Lots of white artists before her had worked with, say, black back-up vocalists or musicians.

She bought controversial issues into the spotlight and that is directly because she is a superstar. Underground bands or unknown artists do not get noticed alot, which is sad. But the point is, Madonna, given her status, was able to bring gay love, abortion (PAPA dont Preach), lesbans, gender bending, AIDS, and woman's masturbation into SPOTLIGHT.

That is a grand accomplishment enough for me.

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She was the first to mix it up racially, no? In the mainstream?

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be damned if i can't find it today, but i used to have this essay by bell hooks:

'Madonna: Plantation Mistress or Soul Sister?' in "Black Looks: Race and Representation". Boston, MA: South End Press, 1992,

which i remember as being good/critical on her appropriation of black imagery in the "like a prayer" video.

a UC-Berkeley course on Madonna

after her marriage to film director guy ritchie, the london press seems to have adopted her as an honourary brit ... they have regular photos of her and her daughter and guy washing the car, her and guy doing neighbourhood shopping.

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after her marriage to film director guy ritchie, the london press seems to have adopted her as an honourary brit ... they have regular photos of her and her daughter and guy washing the car, her and guy doing neighbourhood shopping

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her and guy attending language coaching to try and get that pesky british accent down right

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But she is of moderate talent (at best) and has absolutely ziltch for personality.

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Hands up everyone who is in their third decade of producing chart-topping pop music!

No I just meant that looking back over her career, there's never really a definitive Madonna that sticks out. Aside from controversial and in-your-face. She just sort of immerses herself in the trend du jour and completely casts it aside when it becomes passe.

At least Jonin is not pretentious about her role in music. To paraphrase a great songwriter Joni knows that she is only; Stoking the star maker machinery behind the popular song.

anyways..hehe I am not dissing Joni at all.

Even she gets embarassed watching the old footage of her famous 'Like a Virgin' MTV awards performance.

and than she gave a blowjob to a water bottle..

She had a pretty intimate relationship with her dancers, it seemed, but of course, she dumped all her dancers right after the concert is over.

I think alot of people who knew Madonna back in the days are pissed at Madonna because she kept ditching people after she finished using them.