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Hephaestion
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posted 20 July 2005 10:18 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From The Mothercorp...

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The CBC's largest union has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a strike if its negotiators can't get a deal with the corporation.

The Canadian Media Guild (CMG) announced Tuesday afternoon that its members had voted 87.3 per cent to support taking strike action, if necessary.

The union said 67 per cent of employees turned out to vote.

The CMG represents about 5,500 technicians, journalists and administrative staff in most parts of Canada, except the province of Quebec and the city of Moncton, N.B.

"This is very strong support for the Guild and a flat rejection of the corporation's vision of the future," the union's CBC branch president, Arnold Amber, said in a news release.



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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 20 July 2005 11:14 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny you should mention that. I was at the CBC yesterday and overheard the woman in the gift shop talking about the strike in terms that I would characterize as it being inevitable and they were expecting it. She was having a discussion with another employee who had scheduled a vacation and wanted to start it now before the strike takes place. The other woman cautioned her not to do that.

You could almost feel it in the air.

I picked up a nifty "The National" T-shirt in black before I left and a CBC decal for the car to befuddle my fellow USians while driving in Iowa. And I'll have a bit of the Peter Mansbridge legend to take with me.

BTW, loved the museum. It was such a kick seeing the Freindly Giant and Mr. Dressup sets and props that I grew up watching from across the lake in Cleveland on Channel 10. I took lots of pix.


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Gir Draxon
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posted 20 July 2005 12:30 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh Noes! Not the CBC! Now where am I going to get my Canadian news from? Well, aside from the Globe & Mail, the National Post, the Calgary Herald, the Edmonton Journal, the Sun chain, the Toronto Star, the London Free Press...

I have all those other choices, yet I still have to pay for the CBC through taxes even if I don't use it. If this dispute gets nasty, I hope Martin gets posessed by the ghost of Reagan: tell them all to go to hell, and privatize the CBC. Then at least I will have a choice whether or not I want to give money to that corporation.


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Hephaestion
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posted 20 July 2005 01:07 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, the CBC is going to put you in the poorhouse, Gir.
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Michelle
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posted 20 July 2005 01:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoo boy. I remember the last strike - it went on for quite a while, didn't it? Rerun after rerun...
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Gir Draxon
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posted 20 July 2005 01:13 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Yes, the CBC is going to put you in the poorhouse, Gir.

No, I'm not that delusional.

It's the principle of being forced to give money to a broadcasting corporation. If from now on, 5 cents of every one of your paycheques went to Fox News, you would not be bankrupted. But despite that, I think you'd still object. Especially if many millions of people were forced to do the same, thus giving millions of dollars to a corporation you don't want to support.


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posted 20 July 2005 01:15 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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If this dispute gets nasty, I hope Martin gets posessed by the ghost of Reagan: tell them all to go to hell, and privatize the CBC.

That has fairly obviously been the plan for some time, death by a thousand cuts. This looks like the endgame. The Asper Clan must be so happy, all their efforts are bearing fruit. Now if only they can eliminate the CRTC...

And since you seem to have been asleep for the last decade, Martin was possessed by Reagan's ghost long before the Gipper ever gave it up. He's Mister Supply Side, Canada Contingent.


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ronb
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posted 20 July 2005 01:19 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Whoo boy. I remember the last strike - it went on for quite a while, didn't it? Rerun after rerun...

Big difference here: on-air talent walks too. Rumour has it that they'll be using US talent on-air. So maybe Gir will get his wish - he'll get to pay Fox types' salaries for awhile.


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*boring lecture warning*

The point of a public broadcaster, Gir, here as in Britain, is to make sure that all the news and the whole of the national culture gets covered, not just what some smart-mouth marketing execs are willing to dictate payment for.

If you think that any of those papers you listed above, including the Globe and Mail, is giving you the news even close to competently, then you have never seen a good newspaper.

There is a reason that Brits and other Europeans have a slightly less disastrous take on international affairs than do North Americans, and that is that at least some of them get informed, daily, through the BBC and through their papers, of what life is actually like elsewhere in the world.

*/boring lecture -- for the time being*


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N.Beltov
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posted 20 July 2005 01:53 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gir seems to prefer "one dollar one vote" to "one person one vote". Ain't the market a democracy?
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posted 22 July 2005 12:17 AM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
Oh Noes! Not the CBC! Now where am I going to get my Canadian news from? Well, aside from the Globe & Mail, the National Post, the Calgary Herald, the Edmonton Journal, the Sun chain, the Toronto Star, the London Free Press...

I have all those other choices, yet I still have to pay for the CBC through taxes even if I don't use it. If this dispute gets nasty, I hope Martin gets posessed by the ghost of Reagan: tell them all to go to hell, and privatize the CBC. Then at least I will have a choice whether or not I want to give money to that corporation.


However, every indistrialised nation has some form of public broadcasting, both television and radio. The mandate of public broadcasters, as others mentioned, is to cover the nation as a whole. The CBC, being funded publicly and the fact that the government is elected by the people, makes the CBC the closest thing we have to independent broadcasting in Canada. "Oh, the CBC always spins things in favour of the government," its critics say. Do you not think that the corporations that own such media outlets like CTV, Global, National Post, the Globe and Mail, and several others influence the coverage in those outlets to suit them?

I remember Peter Mansbridge doing a broadcast from Nunavut a while back. After the regular news segment, he told the story of people living there. There isn't much money to be made off of that, and CTV or Global would never have considered doing that. But does Nunavut's small population make the stories of the residents unimportant? I don't believe so. I believe the stories of northern communities are just as important as anyone else's, and they should have a right to tell their story regardless of whether or not they can get a major news corporation to do so.

It is ironic that the right wing claims to want to protect rural people from the "urban élite." The CBC has a show Country Canada that profiles life in rural communities. The commercial media outlets in Canada do not have such programs. If the CBC is privatised, who would tell the stories of those rural communities?


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posted 22 July 2005 12:23 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well said, Aristotle.
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posted 22 July 2005 12:33 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The "beeb" really is the "mother of all public broadcasters"

On radio alone they've got five national radio stations, plus "regional" services for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, along with local radio stations. Then don't forget the "World Service" which broadcasts 24/7 in English along with 40+ languages

Then there are four national TV networks plus a 24/7 "all news" channel.

And they're much further ahead technologically then the CBC is with digital TV and digital audio broadcasting.

All this financed out of an albeit somewhat draconian "TV licensing fee" where they've still got little trucks that roam around looking for TV's operating from places that haven't paid their licensing fee.

With the CBC its simply two national English and French radio services with a little bit of local/regional programming thrown in, an English and French language national TV network now with virtually no local programming anymore and English and French language 24/7 news channels. "Radio Canada International", our "world service" is a shell of its former self with very little in the way of original programming designed for an overseas audience...most of it is simply relays of CBC-1 programming...and they maybe broadcast in about 12 languages.

The CBC gets its money from a mix of tax dollars and TV advertising revenue. But at least the taxation system is a teeny bit "progressive" and so a little more "fair" than a licensing fee.

The "beeb" was very much the model of what the early CBC founders wanted. But in typical Canadian compromise fashion we ended up with a "hybrid" broadcasting system that's a cross between the British and American systems.

The whole "public/private" broadcasting argument is not new at all in this country. If you look back to the 1920's and the early days of radio the exact same discussions were going on.

[ 22 July 2005: Message edited by: radiorahim ]


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Loren from USA
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posted 22 July 2005 10:37 AM      Profile for Loren from USA     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope they go on strike...and stay on strike.

Unions are for losers.


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Michelle
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posted 22 July 2005 10:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't it just about time we gave this guy a one-way ticket out of here?
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fern hill
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posted 22 July 2005 10:45 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Loren from USA:
I hope they go on strike...and stay on strike.

Unions are for losers.


Brilliant argument from an 'attorney'. Loren, you can spout the USian line on threads about US, but fuck the hell off about the CBC.


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josh
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posted 22 July 2005 10:46 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree.
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Loren from USA
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Isn't it just about time we gave this guy a one-way ticket out of here?

Ah, and just because I largely disagree with 99% of what is said on this board? That's the problem with the elitist "progressives"...they love group-think.


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posted 22 July 2005 10:47 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, because you're an asshole.
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Loren from USA
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posted 22 July 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for Loren from USA     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
No, because you're an asshole.

With that kind of language, you're going to make me cry.


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fern hill
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posted 22 July 2005 10:51 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Babblers: don't forget to put 'YO BABBLER' in the subject line of email to audra. I just did.
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posted 22 July 2005 10:52 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ditto.
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Loren from USA
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posted 22 July 2005 10:54 AM      Profile for Loren from USA     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
Babblers: don't forget to put 'YO BABBLER' in the subject line of email to audra. I just did.

Censorship is not very "progressive".


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josh
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posted 22 July 2005 10:57 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neither is stupidity.
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Feel free to tell your friends that we're not progressive enough for you then. It's not like we give a crap.

I'm always amazed at you morons who seem to think that you can "A-HA!" us with that one. Like we'll all go into a state of stunned silence at the plain and simple wisdom of your words or something.

I really don't care whether you think we're progressive or you don't.


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quote:
Originally posted by josh:
Neither is stupidity.

But, one would never guess that to be true reading the posts on this board.


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Oooh. Good one.

This guy must be Norm Coleman.


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fern hill
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posted 22 July 2005 11:00 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
YO BABBLERS: Remember what's-his-name? Red State American? Please stop responding and let audra do her thing.
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Michelle
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posted 22 July 2005 11:04 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right. I was stupid and responded in that other thread he just started. But the good news is, he was so obviously trolling in that new one that it'll be an easy decision.
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posted 22 July 2005 12:06 PM      Profile for aldo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
is not the CBC being completly taken over by so called promo girl,, beyond the pale, IMHO
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I've heard about a possible strike by Radio-Canada as well. (Radio-Canada, and English CBCers located in Québec and northern New Brunswick, are in a different union, with FNC/CSN).

Please don't forget the Northern Service. It provides an invaluable - and sometimes life-saving - service to folks in far-flung Northern communities, and broadcasts in several Aboriginal languages.

The US is odd-person-out among industrialised nations in not having a national public broadcaster.

As for the jerk "attorney" from the US (I'm obviously not referring to josh or Belva! ) I've sent a PM as well. The silly man posted it in the wrong forum - I just noticed this topic is in "labour and consumption", not "media". Labour and consumption" has a specific mandate to discuss labour and consumption issues from a
ThPRO-WORKER point of view.


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posted 22 July 2005 04:08 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
The US is odd-person-out among industrialised nations in not having a national public broadcaster.

They have Public Broadcasting Service and National Public Radio

[ 22 July 2005: Message edited by: Aristotleded24 ]


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posted 22 July 2005 05:14 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd gladly pay for the CBC. I miss it already.

Loren, I gave you the benefit of the doubt on another thread before reading your comment here. My mistake.


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Aristotleded24
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I just learned that the CBC has put the union on walkout notice. I think the managers are extremely shortsighted on this one. Causing a labour disruption will hurt the CBC, and that could very well end up biting them and there will be no CBC staff, technicians or managers.
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Wow - the management has made a bad mistake by serving lockout notice - far too easy to gain public sympathy in that event. Fools.

My prediction - the Guild will win this dispute hands down.


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CBC technical crews are notoriously a drag to work with because they're uninspired. They've got consistent work in an industry where the norm for technicians is going from contract to contract. The latter have to be sharp, and they have to be motivated. With the Ceeb, it's like: Hey, we did that on the Beachcombers, so take a hike. And when's lunch?

I don't want anyone to lose a good livelihood, so I support the union, but I wish some of those guys would just friggin' retire.


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posted 12 August 2005 04:56 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally, I don't have a problem with using temporary labour per se. If they use temp labour, however, they should say, "we're going to hire you to work for x amount of time, after which you may continue" or something to that effect. Don't allow the arrangement to be such that the workers can be sacked with little notice.
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quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
CBC technical crews are notoriously a drag to work with because they're uninspired.

Really? Do tell! Any particular department you're referring to, Bittersweet? Speaking for the television post side of things, I've yet to run into that mindset. Why? 'Cuz nobody wants to work with someone like that and so they end up working on menial stuff that with no prospects.


quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:They've got consistent work in an industry where the norm for technicians is going from contract to contract. The latter have to be sharp, and they have to be motivated. With the Ceeb, it's like: Hey, we did that on the Beachcombers, so take a hike. And when's lunch?

What utter tripe! My experience is that they're by-and-large dedicated individuals who want public broadcasting in this country to compare favourably to anything else on the dial. And they get paid about half the going rate for comparable work done elsewhere.

quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:I don't want anyone to lose a good livelihood, so I support the union, but I wish some of those guys would just friggin' retire.

Wanna start the ball rolling? \

And BTW, I'm not a CBC staffer; I'm a freelancer and I can speak with some authority on life inside and outside the CBC.

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Gee, bittersweet, using that logic, I guess we should push to make everyone's job insecure so that everyone will be "motivated". Heck, don't just stop at the media industry.

Reminds me of the old EI spiel about "Me Incorporated" in which they extol the virtues of the new economy where everyone thinks of themselves as self-employed. O the freedom, compared to that horrible time when there was a such thing as company pensions and job security! Or on the job training - that might affect the employer's bottom line, and we can't be having any of that - we only want hungry, cut-throat employees "motivated" by insecurity and looming unemployment, because we all know that people constantly stressed out about how long their employment will last make the very best employees. They're so motivated, don't you know.


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So Fitz, you have your experience, I have mine. Mine's in production, yours is in post. But the main difference really, is that you claim my experience is "utter tripe" and that yours has "authority." Do you know how to spell presumptuous? Now all of a sudden you have zero credibility. How'd that happen?

And gee, Michele, by that logic you must let ideology draw your own conclusions. Stretch what you assume to be someone's "logic" to an absurd extreme, and voila, a convenient clash of oppositions without nuance. It's not reality, it's not honest, but at least it reduces anxiety.

It's not inevitable that a CBC union should mean less motivated or flexible crews than non-union ones. There ought to be a way that job security can inspire rather than discourage. Obviously management is plenty to blame for worker apathy; I think on the whole it's far more to blame than unions. Yet progress necessarily involves a willingness to admit that there may be need of it in the first place. You have to actually value progress over feeling righteous. Taking responsibility, no matter what the other side is doing, is harder than retreating into stale, mutually affirming opposed ideologies.


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posted 12 August 2005 11:34 PM      Profile for Reverend Blair   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The CBC employees I've run into were motivated by getting their job done, and done well enough to be recognised for it.

I guess I don't understand what the problem is here. People want their jobs to be secure? Why is that a problem? We see their work every day and it's good work. The on air people speak clearly and the people behind the scenes get the cameras in focus and the mics working. They go to city hall meetings and war zones.

They do a good job. The response is to lock them out when they want having done a good job to have some results. Some incentive.


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More than anything, I like what the union proposes below. If anyone in the film/TV sector could remotely expect these kind of conditions at work, they'd think they'd freaking died and gone to Heaven. No-bo-dy has this kind of life in this business. (Except maybe Fitz.) So more power to the union, I say.

* improved leave provisions
* a wellness program aimed at preventing stress and burnout
* broader options in pursuing career paths which allow employees to progress in a way that reflects their personal values and life situations
* more access to alternative work arrangements such as work at home, reduced or compressed work weeks and job-sharing
* an increase in the control employees have over their work by ensuring their involvement in any changes in work methods and practices
* provisions designed to lighten excessive workloads

If I were Ceeb management I'd jump at this. It's cheap for the benefit, which includes fresh, motivated employees (talk about taking responsibility!) and great visibility, especially as perceived by union membership, where it really counts. I could then afford to vigorously negotiate other, more financially costly issues, which I would argue are less valued--especially in this industry, notorious for burn out stories--than quality of working conditions when it gets right down to it. I think people value those qualities more than getting extra bucks, even more than looking to the CBC as a place to apply for a job for life. The permanent staff stay permanent, the new guys get to share some or all of those quality-of-life perks, management saves money, and everybody wins. Yay!


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Panama Jack
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posted 15 August 2005 12:05 PM      Profile for Panama Jack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This makes me so sad ... turning on the radio in the morning to find my morning aural routine broken.

Would listening to the management produced "programming" be akin to crossing the picket line ? [Probably not, just like my use of my Telus internet connection and phone line ].


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posted 15 August 2005 12:39 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Panama Jack: Would listening to the management produced "programming" be akin to crossing the picket line ?

1. If you're in the habit of listening to the CBC then you better be careful or the withdrawal symptoms might be more severe. Switching to a private brodcaster may expose you to a loathsome helping of advertising, which is often bad for your mental health. I suggest easing away slowly.

2. Besides, the on-air gaffes should be amusing.

3. And it's always good to get to know the enemy and the kind of world the enemy would like to give us. I particularly like studying the euphemisms and other bafflegap that gets used as a fig leaf of "objective" journalism in situations like this. It's educational.

4. But you should familiarize yourself with the union site and what kind of things you can do to support the locked out staff.


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posted 15 August 2005 06:44 PM      Profile for Panama Jack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:

1. If you're in the habit of listening to the CBC then you better be careful or the withdrawal symptoms might be more severe. Switching to a private brodcaster may expose you to a loathsome helping of advertising, which is often bad for your mental health. I suggest easing away slowly.
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Thankfully, I've got other non-commerical radio options here in Victoria with CFUV and AM 900 (who I just learned this morning broadcasts the BBC worldservice).


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posted 15 August 2005 06:47 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"We are providing alternate programming," the pseudo-announcer kept saying on Radio Two today.

And I kept asking the radio, "What are you alternating the programming with - dead air?"

Then I decided he must have meant alternative programming.


From: One millihelen: The amount of beauty required to launch one ship. | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged
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posted 15 August 2005 06:57 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking of alternative programming: one thing I liked about living in Alberta was listening to the CKUA radio network. All the variety and range of a typical campus/community station -- I think it began life as the University of Alberta station -- but operated as professionally as CBC.

Anyway, it just dawned on me we can listen to it online.


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posted 17 August 2005 01:32 PM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
So Fitz, you have your experience, I have mine. Mine's in production, yours is in post. But the main difference really, is that you claim my experience is "utter tripe" and that yours has "authority." Do you know how to spell presumptuous? Now all of a sudden you have zero credibility. How'd that happen?

Mine's in production as well and current as of last Friday. Yours? Sounds like a whine from '93. Hence the utter tripe comment. The CBC's just seen as too easy a target for some to resist and your post came off as one of those.


quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
It's not inevitable that a CBC union should mean less motivated or flexible crews than non-union ones. There ought to be a way that job security can inspire rather than discourage. Obviously management is plenty to blame for worker apathy; I think on the whole it's far more to blame than unions.

Granted.

quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
Yet progress necessarily involves a willingness to admit that there may be need of it in the first place. You have to actually value progress over feeling righteous. Taking responsibility, no matter what the other side is doing, is harder than retreating into stale, mutually affirming opposed ideologies.

When one side is doing all the giving, can you really blame them when they say enough already? Personally, I think the CBC'll get what they want in the long run because the industry at-large has made the contract-employee dynamic ubiquitous. Fine for the shareholders and newbies to the business; less so for those with something to lose that they've worked for for the last 20 years. Sooner or later, something has to give and it isn't limited to television. We either pay the piper a bit now or a lot more later.


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posted 17 August 2005 02:57 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Currently, in-house the CBC is good at news and sports, while independent producers and crews deliver the good dramas and docs.
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posted 17 August 2005 09:03 PM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Familiar with the Hockey Doc series underway, bitter? In-house!

How about People's History? In-house!


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posted 17 August 2005 09:41 PM      Profile for retread     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
Currently, in-house the CBC is good at news and sports, while independent producers and crews deliver the good dramas and docs.

Well, some sports. They did a horrible job on the olympics - probably at least an hour of features and interviews for every hour of actual sport, and even then they concentrated on just a few sports, and even then they spent as much time talking with athletes on site as the actual competition. The funny thing was, before the 90's they had good olympic coverage ... when did they decide people tuned in to hear their opinions and interviews rather than the actual sporting events?

During the Athens games, I headed down to the pub to watch the olympics on the large screen with friends, but then decided it was pointless ... we ended up watching baseball because we got tired of talking heads


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posted 17 August 2005 10:07 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno Fitz, haven't seen the "hockey doc series." Does it have a name? You didn't mention it, so unless you're being intentionally coy, it seems you're not familiar with it either. Ding!, there goes the credibility thing again. I do want to believe you though, and I'd like it to be a good show, for all concerned. "People's History" was uninspired, formulaic doc making. According to associates who worked on "Making the Cut," an in-house reality show (that didn't make the cut because it didn't have a story), the Ceeb's a stifling place to work. They could be lying, the rotters. If not, management is surely a big factor in creating that environment. I don't think it's a bad idea that CBC management has to prove themselves to keep their jobs. And that goes beyond maximizing the short-term bottom line. Some of the management at the CBC is fine, they know their stuff, but there's a portion whose major contribution is maintaining their position in a bureaucracy. They've had a long, lackluster run, and I think they should be put out to pasture, preferably NIMBY.

[ 17 August 2005: Message edited by: bittersweet ]


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posted 17 August 2005 11:26 PM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
I dunno Fitz, haven't seen the "hockey doc series." Does it have a name? You didn't mention it, so unless you're being intentionally coy, it seems you're not familiar with it either. Ding!, there goes the credibility thing again.

Well, you certainly live up to the first half of your nom-d'internet. I wasn't working on it myself so I don't know it's working title off the top of my head. However, when it airs, you'll see the name Jack Walker as editor on at least two of the episodes (of thirteen IIRC).


quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
"People's History" was uninspired, formulaic doc making.

Which pulled-in quite good numbers all-around, not just for a CBC show but against the private broadcasters' offerings in its time slot.

quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
IAccording to associates who worked on "Making the Cut,"

Oh...I get it...a friend of a friend said blah blah blah.
So, what you're saying is that you don't have personal experience in the matter.

And you were saying something about MY credibility?

quote:
Originally posted by bittersweet:
If not, management is surely a big factor in creating that environment. I don't think it's a bad idea that CBC management has to prove themselves to keep their jobs. And that goes beyond maximizing the short-term bottom line. Some of the management at the CBC is fine, they know their stuff, but there's a portion whose major contribution is maintaining their position in a bureaucracy. They've had a long, lackluster run, and I think they should be put out to pasture, preferably NIMBY.

Won't argue that the CBC is top-heavy with management. However, clearing-out the deadwood among the turf-protectors would take a board that's prepared to do battle on that front and I don't see it happening. Like any large organization, there's too many vested interests who know where the bodies are buried to get much done in a hurry. Better to blame it on the working shmoes.

[ 17 August 2005: Message edited by: Fitz ]


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posted 18 August 2005 12:42 AM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ding! again!
quote:
Originally posted by Fitz: I wasn't working on it myself so I don't know it's working title off the top of my head. However, when it airs, you'll see the name Jack Walker as editor on at least two of the episodes (of thirteen IIRC)... Oh...I get it...a friend of a friend said blah blah blah. So, what you're saying is that you don't have personal experience in the matter.
Really, you didn't notice the contradiction there? Who is Jack Walker to you? Surely not a friend. Or worse: a friend of a friend! And how can I judge something that hasn't even aired? Good Lord, man.

The People's History may have had numbers, but it was still as insipid as a doc can be. Too bad, since Canadian history's almost always presented like that.

At any rate, I've worked freelance in above the line tasks for the CBC on various dramatic projects since 1992; I offered somebody else's recent perspective in support of my own experience. As it happens, they're not a third hand party, but hey, they don't know Jack!

The Feds cut back, management focuses on the ever-shrinking bottom line, the "working schmoe" is oppressed, end of story. Well, that's mostly true here. It's also true that permanent status awarded on the basis of seniority is not a system that fosters quality. In fact, I don't think it's any better at fostering quality than a volatile system in which employees have no security at all. Again, I think the problem's mostly out of the workers' control. But if we're going to look at this thing as a system, then we have to accept that any part of the engine can contribute to it not firing on all cylinders. Now, I support the union, and the idea of secure jobs, and I think management's got some real dullards, yet I don't support the notion that the "working schmoes" left at the CBC in the dramatic dept. who've got guaranteed permanent status are also immune from criticism. And I don't think it's beyond the pale to link that status to the pattern of apathy I've experienced, or to resist blaming that flaw entirely on management, the feds, etc.

[ 18 August 2005: Message edited by: bittersweet ]


From: land of the midnight lotus | Registered: Apr 2002  |  IP: Logged
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posted 18 August 2005 05:53 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BECTU supporting CBC workers

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We are writing on behalf of the NUJ and BECTU to seek an urgent meeting to discuss the use of BBC material by CBC management during the course of the current dispute at the corporation.

BBC journalists in Canada and Canadian unions allege that the BBC is supplying additional material to CBC which is being used to replace regular news programmes and is thereby taking sides in the industrial dispute and undermining the rights of Canadian media workers.


Good to see this action! I hope they can get the BBC to stop if what's alleged is true!

[ 18 August 2005: Message edited by: kurichina ]


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