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Doug
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posted 25 July 2006 11:00 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Imagine this for a government conundrum: revenues so high it's hard to know how to spend them. No wonder Norway, flush from oil exports, is picky about where it invests its $236 billion government pension fund - the third largest on the planet.

In June it divested about $430 million worth of shares from Wal-Mart Stores (Charts) and Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold (Charts), after savaging Wal-Mart for "serious and systematic" labor violations in several countries and Freeport for dumping copper tailings in a New Guinea river.

Now officials say their cleanup campaign is just getting started. "We are working on how to act as shareholders in different companies," says Kristin Halvorsen, the leader of Norway's Socialist Left Party, who was appointed Finance Minister last October. "That is quite new for us."


http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/24/magazines/fortune/NorwaytoWMT.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes

Now - how to get the CPP investment people to start making similar decisions?


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cdnviking
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posted 25 July 2006 11:29 AM      Profile for cdnviking        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is a link to a Norwegian (english) Newspaper story on this.

I am proud of my Norwegian cousins for doing this. It is about time that investors start worrying about ethics instead of purely profit.


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500_Apples
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posted 25 July 2006 11:33 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To be fair it's much easier for Norway to worry about the ethics of their investments.
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cdnviking
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posted 25 July 2006 11:50 AM      Profile for cdnviking        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why is it easier than anyone else?
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pencil-skirt
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posted 17 August 2006 07:09 AM      Profile for pencil-skirt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always hear about the teachers' unions as major investors because they control their pension plans. Anyone know if they follow any sort of "ethical investing"?

BTW, it is harder than it sounds because if you buy into any bank's "ethical funds" they often have skewed meanings. It might mean that all the companies have gender parity on their Boards, or it might mean that they dont have tobacco companies. But that could still leave oil companies, weapons companies, and union busters. It is very difficult to come up with a definition of "ethical" that can be continuously applied.


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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 17 August 2006 06:11 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's something that an individual can do with an RRSP, bearing in mind that even a bank's "ethical" funds are managed by someone you probably don't know. Instead of buying into mutual funds, invest directly in the stock market by buying stocks. This way, you control what companies you invest in, not some funds manager. And you can invest in a way that reflects your own ethical priorities: you can make a point of investing in companies with lots of women on their boards, or with clearly articulated environmental concerns, or who donate to causes you endorse, etc.: whatever ethical priorities you set. Just a thought.
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jester
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posted 17 August 2006 07:05 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Martha (but not Stewart):
Here's something that an individual can do with an RRSP, bearing in mind that even a bank's "ethical" funds are managed by someone you probably don't know. Instead of buying into mutual funds, invest directly in the stock market by buying stocks. This way, you control what companies you invest in, not some funds manager. And you can invest in a way that reflects your own ethical priorities: you can make a point of investing in companies with lots of women on their boards, or with clearly articulated environmental concerns, or who donate to causes you endorse, etc.: whatever ethical priorities you set. Just a thought.

That is a great idea. A self-directed online trade at a Canadian discount brokerage costs about $30.

Most ethical funds are not ethical at all and the Labour Sponsored Investment Funds are a vehicle for the fund managers to pocket the tax credit.LSIFs have a notoriously high Management Expense Ratio- the fees charged to manage the Fund.

It is not difficult to manage your own account.From an activist pointof view,as a shareholder,one can influence corporate policy.

I can visualise a babble activist crew showing up at the AGM clutching their share certificate,demanding to be heard.


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pencil-skirt
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posted 22 August 2006 07:58 AM      Profile for pencil-skirt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True, but it is notoriously easy to lose your shirt on the stock market! Many of us don't have the confidence to pluck and pull different stocks together.

It is difficult too because stocks vary in prices from cheap (like $3 a share) to over $100 a share and it can make the mathematics very frustrating if all you want to do is put $5,000 into some savings. Mutual funds let you put in any amount (though some have a minimum) and because they are based on so many companies, the risk is greatly reduced.

I decided to not buy into mutual funds at this point, and I have a little cash in Canada Savings Bonds, but considering whose in power right now, I really don't know how ethical an investment that is!


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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 22 August 2006 08:44 AM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by pencil-skirt:
True, but it is notoriously easy to lose your shirt on the stock market! Many of us don't have the confidence to pluck and pull different stocks together.

Of course you're right: investing directly in the stock market is risky, and requires real research. You can, however, look for a financial advisor who can help you put together an ethical stock portfolio. The Social Investment Organization has a list of financial advisors across Canada. Google "ethical investing" produces lots of results, some of which probably lead to financial advisors who can help you put together a portfolio that represents both your ethical priorities and your financial priorities, e.g. the level of financial risk you're willing to bear, and so on.


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