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Doug
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posted 27 April 2007 10:36 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Thousands of Iranian women have been cautioned over their poor Islamic dress this week and several hundred arrested in the capital Tehran in the most fierce crackdown on what's known as "bad hijab" for more than a decade....And it's not just women who are being targeted this year.

Young men are being cautioned for wearing short sleeved shirts or for their hairstyles.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6596933.stm

I'm trying to imagine being arrested for wearing the wrong colour - it's hard to do.


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remind
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posted 27 April 2007 10:51 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, was quite the week for intolerance, Richard Geer is up on charges in India for publically kissing a famous Bollywood star on stage,during a function he was at.
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Murren
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posted 27 April 2007 11:39 AM      Profile for Murren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is strange that Iran was saddled with a fundamentalist Islamic government after the revolution, as Iranians as a whole a rather moderate.

I will post a link to images of the "crackdown".

http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2007/April/Hejab/index.html

http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2007/April/Hejab/Images/2.jpg
Although a few men were arrested, the target of this crackdown was primarily women.

EDIT: This article may also be of interest.

"IRAN: ENEMIES 'PLOTTING' AGAINST NEW DRESS CODE SAYS AHMADINEJAD"

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.409267427&par=0

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Catchfire
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posted 28 April 2007 12:51 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Wow, was quite the week for intolerance, Richard Geer is up on charges in India for publically kissing a famous Bollywood star on stage,during a function he was at.

I'm surprised, remind, at your calling this "intolerance." While perhaps the individual who is launching the lawsuit is skintight conservative prick looking for fifteen minutes of fame, the actual incident smacks of uber-chauvinism and male entitlement. Gere keeps going for make-out sessions with the actress who is clearly uncomfortable with the situation, even pushing him away. He should have been chastised.

YouTuber Link

Richard Gere visits India every year and claims not to understand the culture? Certainly I have no problem with PDAs, but I don't see why India should accept the American culture of a male's entitlement to feel up beautiful female actresses rather than their slightly different, but no more sexist culture of banning public smooches.


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siren
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posted 28 April 2007 01:24 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jon Stewart did a take on this and I was surprised at Gere's aggressive stance.

Offensive in many cultures, I would think. Although the arrest warrant might be unique.

Sorry about the sidescroll. Guess the link is too long for http. Anyway, you can go to the Stewart site and view, Tuesday I think. Gere was on Thursday and seemed to dismiss his behaviour as something to do with the truck driving milieu. Odd really.

[ 28 April 2007: Message edited by: siren ]


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pogge
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posted 28 April 2007 01:27 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Format fix for TAT.
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jeff house
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posted 29 April 2007 11:05 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Meanwhile, back in Iran, the Word goes out: Barbers Must Not Give Western Haircuts!

No plucking eyebrows, either!

quote:
The head of the barbers' union, Mohammad Eftekharifard, said police had instructed it to "exercise specific regulations in barbershops that work under its supervision."

Barbers who do not follow these rules might be closed down for a month and even lose their permits to operate, Etemad quoted him as saying.


conformity required

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Coyote
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posted 29 April 2007 11:16 AM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really do hope the long process of reform and secularization that has taken root in Iran bears fruit, and sooner rather later. It is interesting that the regime feels the need to defend themselves when these stories come to light, instead of merely dismissing the stories as agit-prop.

Iran may actually be a model for internal reform, in the years to come. I am no expert, but the number of semi-autonomous institutions that are able to raise up objections - however muted - to otherwise draconian practices is astoninishing. Certainly there is a level of criticism directed towards to the religious authorities that must disquiet the mullahs.

One hopes that the destabilizing Western occupation of Iraq does not too directly harm this process of reform.


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Michelle
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posted 29 April 2007 01:43 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What the frig is a "western haircut" anyhow?
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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 29 April 2007 02:17 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The mullet? If that's the case then maybe it isn't too bad.
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Coyote
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posted 29 April 2007 02:26 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw Michelle's question, checked Facebook for like two seconds, and Heywood beat me on the mullet response. Damn it.
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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 29 April 2007 02:45 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kick ass, baby. Kick ass. Yeeea!
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BetterRed
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posted 29 April 2007 07:33 PM      Profile for BetterRed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I saw Michelle's question, checked Facebook for like two seconds, and Heywood beat me on the mullet response. Damn it.

Since we're talking about banning things, how about banning Facebook?

But yes, its good that mullets have fallen out of fashion.


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Coyote
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posted 29 April 2007 07:39 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Facebook is crack. Seriously. I waste so much time there.

I am thirty, for God's sake. You'd think I would be beyond such things. Nope.


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Sven
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posted 29 April 2007 07:45 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
I'm surprised, remind, at your calling this "intolerance." While perhaps the individual who is launching the lawsuit is skintight conservative prick looking for fifteen minutes of fame, the actual incident smacks of uber-chauvinism and male entitlement. Gere keeps going for make-out sessions with the actress who is clearly uncomfortable with the situation, even pushing him away. He should have been chastised.

Being "chastised" is one thing. Trying him for a crime punishable by imprisonment is quite another.


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Coyote
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posted 29 April 2007 07:52 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who woulda thunk? He did it is India, not L.A., Sven. Different countries have different views of these things. You don't just get to say and do whatever you want because you're white and have a big name.
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500_Apples
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posted 29 April 2007 07:58 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just looked at parts of the youtube clip, and it seems to me that what Gere did would be wrong even here in a "white" country, and that the criticism he got is not necessarily due to the fact he was in an exotic foreign land with people of different background.

Not to dilute the point of respecting different cultures though.


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Sven
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posted 29 April 2007 08:05 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
Who woulda thunk? He did it is India, not L.A., Sven. Different countries have different views of these things. You don't just get to say and do whatever you want because you're white and have a big name.

So, if the kisee didn't object, do you think Gere should go to prison?


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Sven
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posted 29 April 2007 08:19 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With regard to the fashion police in Iran...

I wonder why plucked male eyebrows is "immoral"?

Now, if we were talking about mullets...


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Coyote
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posted 29 April 2007 08:19 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have no idea of the particulars of Indian jurisprudence, Sven. Do you?

It's like westerners who go to Indonesia or some such country and get caught smoking weed. In my mind, you shouldn't go to prison for that. But I am not Indonesian. So, in Indonesia, DON'T SMOKE WEED.


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Sven
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posted 29 April 2007 08:30 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
I have no idea of the particulars of Indian jurisprudence, Sven. Do you?

It's like westerners who go to Indonesia or some such country and get caught smoking weed. In my mind, you shouldn't go to prison for that. But I am not Indonesian. So, in Indonesia, DON'T SMOKE WEED.


Are you arguing that we shouldn't criticize non-Canadian (or non-USian) laws?

Personally, if Indonesia or India or Iran wants to criminalize pot smoking, or homosexual conduct, or abortion, or whatever, I feel perfectly free to criticize those laws.


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Coyote
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posted 29 April 2007 08:45 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And I think you have a right to critisize, though I'm not sure if standing up for the white kids' right to get high or Gere's right to grope are up there with the other human rights you list.

But when you are in other countries, you have to understand that you are in another country. I remember travelling in the rural part of an Arab country once, and one of my (unchosen) travelling comrades actually asked after alchohol at the home that had been graciously opened up to us. It was mortifying - and potentially dangerous. He was, in effect, soliciting an illegal substance. Sven, this is what as known as a bad idea.


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