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Topic: Common sense? OBVIOUSLY NOT
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sknguy
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posted 12 May 2006 05:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sineed: Studies have also shown that tall people have the advantage over short people not just in height but in income. And less attractive children are regarded as less intelligent than cuter children. Maybe we should give the short ugly kids a break too.
I recall some time back in the early 1990's, while waiting impatiently in a tire shop, a sociologist was being interviewed by... hmm, I can’t remember the talk show but think it was Oprah Winfrey. But sitting on a nearby chair was Joan Collins. The sociologist was noting a study she had conducted and that she observed that less attractive people have much more interesting lives than people who have not had the same struggles as attractive people. The sociologist went on to describe social struggles as an intellectual stimulant in life. What stuck in my mind was the absolutely shocked look on Collins’ face upon hearing this. It was quite a hilarious moment. Forgot to mention the tire shop had a TV... sorry. [ 12 May 2006: Message edited by: sknguy ]
From: Saskatchewan | Registered: Nov 2004
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Summer
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Babbler # 12491
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posted 13 May 2006 12:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by charlieM:
So, should income be a factor when children are being graded in schools?
Seriously???
How would this even work? The grading guidelines would go something like this I suppose: super rich kids: A = 95%; upper middle class: A = 88%; middle class: A = 82%; lower middle class: A = 77%; low income: A = 73%; below poverty line: A = 60%. This is offensive. It suggests that your intelligence/capabilities are related to your family's income. Perhaps I misunderstood your question. If you are suggesting that resources be made available to lower income children (who often come from single-parent - usually single-mother - households, meaning the parents work long hours and do not have as much time to help with homework), then I completely agree. Not everyone can afford private tutoring or to send their kids to Kumon or Sylvan learning Centre. Schools should have mentoring programs and after school homework help available to all students. Hot lunch and/or breakfast should also be provided in certain cases. But grading on a different scale according to income - ridiculous. ETA: link to StatsCan report and data on which the article was written. Maybe a Babbler with a good head for stats can give us their interpretation of it. Note that students in the lowest income bracket are less likely to read for pleasure and also less likely to finish homework on time or do homework at all. I don't think a different grading scale is the solution here. Instead, schools must determine why students aren't doing the work at home. Like I said above, after school homework help is a step in the right direction. [ 13 May 2006: Message edited by: Summer ]
From: Ottawa | Registered: Apr 2006
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Boom Boom
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posted 13 May 2006 09:08 PM
Oh, I don't know what the answers (or even the questions) are. But, back then, I was between 8 - 13 years old, and traded lunches back and forth with my friends, a few whom were really at the low end of the socioeconomic scale, but we were friends, and I thought friends looked out for one another. I was well fed and thus had no problem at all with trading away rich food for peanut butter (and jam) sandwiches. On those days when I thought to bring a small pocketknife, I'd split an apple in two and share. On the other end of the socioeconomic scale, another good friend's dad was a credit manager of Canada Packers, and his mum packed him a thermos of hot weiners every day that he'd make hot dogs with at school. Terrible diet for someone so young. Never did get rid of his baby fat. I'd like to see pop machines and junk foods banned from schools as a start. If an apple costs as much as a can of pop, well, what the hell, it's healthier, and water is free at the fountain.
From: Make the rich pay! | Registered: Dec 2004
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charlieM
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Babbler # 6514
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posted 14 May 2006 06:35 PM
nutrition in children from low income families has been an issue in schools for a very long time. Kids learn better on a full stumach. The best solution the ministry of education (or whomever was actualy responsible for the intitiative) was that breakfast for poors kids program... Now, i never took advantage of this, and actually living poor in an affluant community gave me no access to such programs. It doesnt really matter anyways because all they f'n gave the kids was a bowl of cereal or a bagel. Now, i have such breakfast all the time, at least i get to choose harvest crunch over fruitloops (which was the choice free cereal for poor kids). But the issue is faaaaaaaaaaaar more than nutrition; it's homework, partime jobs, stress levels, parent's health/education, motivation. the issue here, in a nut shell is, "There is nothing more unequal than treating unequals equally." i dont know who orginally said it, but my VP in highschool said it on the announcements one morning and it fueled my anger, to say the least.[ 14 May 2006: Message edited by: charlieM ]
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