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josh
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posted 11 October 2007 09:47 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Turkey reacted angrily today to a House committee vote in Washington on Wednesday that condemned the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey during World War I as an act of genocide, calling the decision “unacceptable.”

In a rare and uncharacteristically strong condemnation, President Abdullah Gul criticized the vote by the House Foreign Relations Committee and warned that the decision could work against the United States.

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The House decision rebuffed an intense campaign by the White House and earlier warnings from Turkey’s government that the vote would gravely strain its relations with the United States.

The vote was nonbinding and so largely symbolic, but its consequences could reach far beyond bilateral relations and spill into the war in Iraq.

Turkish officials and lawmakers warned that if the resolution was approved by the full House, they would reconsider supporting the American war effort, which includes permission to ship essential supplies through Turkey and northern Iraq.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/europe/12turkey.html?hp


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Frustrated Mess
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posted 11 October 2007 09:56 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A nation in such deep denial about a genocide ... and who is that nation's best friends? Anyone?

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During the 1980's Turkey began a program of forced assimilation of its Kurdish population. Use of the Kurdish language was outlawed and Turks began denying the existence of the Kurdish ethnic group instead calling them "mountain Turks"[20]. This culminated in 1984 when the PKK began a rebellion against Turkish rule attacking Turkish military and civilian targets. The Turkish government responded with committing their own atrocities by wiping out Kurdish villages. Due to these tactics that target civilians 37,000 have died in the still ongoing conflict

Wikipedia

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kropotkin1951
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posted 11 October 2007 10:21 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So has Congress ever passed a motion calling its "Indian Wars" genocide?

I saw a clip on the news last night with a Congressperson decrying the fact Turkey was trying to influence the vote by saying they would withdraw their support for the US war in Iraq and not allow them to supply through Turkey. This asshole had the audacity to talk about how he felt a Turkish sword over his head and he didn't like it. So when is the Excited States going to stop sending ultimatums to the rest of the world?

Before anyone thinks differently I think that the whole world should acknowledge all genocides including the Armenian tradgedy I just hate hypocrits who moralize about others when they haven't removed the plank imbedded in their own eyes that has them blinded.


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josh
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posted 11 October 2007 11:18 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Turkey ordered its ambassador in Washington to return to Turkey for consultations over a U.S. House panel's approval of a bill describing the World War I-era mass killings of Armenians as genocide, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said Thursday.

The ambassador would stay in Turkey for about a week or 10 days for discussions about the measure, said Foreign Ministry spokesman Levent Bilman.

"We are not withdrawing our ambassador. We have asked him to come to Turkey for some consultations," he said.



http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3717813


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jester
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posted 11 October 2007 02:12 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I doubt the Turks are outraged as much as they are opportunistic. The Turks are itching to cross into Iraq and teach the PKK to mind their manners. If they do,its an opportunity for mischief making the wee strange chap in Iran will not easily forego.

As usual, US politicians respond like donkeys and play into the hands of the mischief makers.


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Dead_Letter
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posted 11 October 2007 04:38 PM      Profile for Dead_Letter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do hope the American Congress does not back down on this.
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posted 11 October 2007 04:46 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They have such a proud record.
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ChicagoLoopDweller
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posted 11 October 2007 04:53 PM      Profile for ChicagoLoopDweller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What country does have a proud record?
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Dead_Letter
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posted 11 October 2007 11:12 PM      Profile for Dead_Letter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:
They have such a proud record.

lol, indeed.

But CLD is also right. I don't see many other countries that are covered in glory on this issue. It might actually be worth noting that maybe the only country that gave a damn about the Armenian genocide when it was happening was the United States.


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Petsy
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posted 12 October 2007 05:37 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know we dont like to give Stephen Harper a lot of credit for much but on this issue Canada seems well ahead of the USA.

House of Commons accepts Armenian genocide as fact


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oldgoat
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posted 12 October 2007 05:58 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Other than showing up as an opposition member and voting along with it, it doesn't look like Harper had a lot to do with it.
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quelar
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posted 12 October 2007 06:23 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Turkey can be outraged if they want, but it happened, so they can also piss off.

The real issue, brought up above, is that Turkey is going to make some moves into northern Iraq to stop the PKK and since the US's surge is working so magnificently, they can't afford troops to go north and contain them. I think behind this, the US is really just trying to stomp on Turkey diplomatically.

Ultimately this is going to backfire, Turkey's going to lash out at the US and move into Kurdish areas of Iraq, which is going to turn the Kurds into a more active force in Turkey. Which is going to create less stability in Iraq and in Turkey, which is great since they're one of the few normalized middle eastern states.

This is the right thing to do, but really not good timing on it.


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posted 12 October 2007 07:57 AM      Profile for Dead_Letter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
Other than showing up as an opposition member and voting along with it, it doesn't look like Harper had a lot to do with it.

Agreed. It was a Bloc motion to begin with ...


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posted 12 October 2007 09:01 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know what the US has on Turkey to restrain them from invading northern Iraq but I do know that if the Turks decide to make life difficult at Incirlik air base, the US will be between a rock and a hard place in Iraq.

The Turks do not have to play to their people on this as there is solid support in Turkey to invade. They also turned the US down for transiting the 4th mechanized division through Turkey during Iraq War II. So,the US must have something to use to restrain them.


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josh
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posted 26 October 2007 06:02 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
House caves:

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On Thursday, supporters surrendered, at least for now, telling Ms. Pelosi they were willing to wait until next year. “We believe that a large majority of our colleagues want to support a resolution recognizing the genocide on the House floor and that they will do so, provided the timing is more favorable,” the four chief sponsors said in a letter to Ms. Pelosi.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/washington/26cong.html?ref=world


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