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Aristotleded24
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posted 24 June 2005 09:52 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe is evicting people and tearing down their homes. He claims it is to restore order, but several NGOs are alleging human rights violations, and the opposition claims that it is a plot to remove Mugabe's political opponents from the voters lists:

An African News Agency

This page from the BBC

Another page from the BBC


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Carter
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posted 24 June 2005 10:07 PM      Profile for Carter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, if he ever gets tired of being a tin pot dictator, at least he'll be able to move to Connecticut and get a job with the New London Development Corporation.
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posted 06 June 2006 04:38 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Satellite images have been released showing the wholesale destruction of a large community in Zimbabwe providing the clearest possible evidence to date of the devastating impact of the Zimbabwean government's policy of house demolitions. The images were commissioned to demonstrate the complete destruction of Porta Farm — a large, informal settlement that was established 16 years ago and had schools, a children's centre and a mosque. There is also graphic video footage showing the forced evictions taking place prior to the demolitions.

Amnesty International Canada


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ceti
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posted 06 June 2006 04:52 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mumbai city and the Maharashtra state government cleared slums last year, making 300,000 people homeless (the biggest ever). There did not seem to be much denunciation of that, even though it was also quite brutal.
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M. Spector
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posted 06 June 2006 04:31 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John Vidal
Friday July 1, 2005
The Guardian
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For a month now, the BBC, CNN, ITV and others have been reporting what has been portrayed as one of the greatest humanitarian and human rights disasters in years. At least 200,000 people - sometimes this figure grows to 250,000 or even 300,000 - are said to have been forcibly evicted from slum areas of Harare in Zimbabwe. The figure peaked last week at 1.5 million, but yesterday the BBC reckoned that bulldozers were now "crashing through the homes of 500,000 people".

In fact, only about 1.2 million people live in Harare and no one is suggesting that half the population has fled in terror or that most of the city has been wrecked. So where are all these allegedly terrorised people? A few thousand have been filmed in makeshift camps but not many more. Who is trying to count the numbers? They are almost always attributed to an unnamed person in an unnamed UN agency. But read the only UN statement on the evictions and it says nothing of 200,000 people.

The evictions - which are clearly happening on a wide scale - have been seized on by the west, and the former colonial power Britain in particular, as another reason to demonise President Mugabe and further humiliate long-suffering Zimbabwe. It's open season on the Harare regime and it appears that anyone can say anything they like without recourse to accuracy or reality. Whipped into a frenzy of hypocritical outrage, the EU, Britain and the US, as well as the World Bank - all of which have been responsible for millions of evictions in Africa and elsewhere as conditions of infrastructure projects - have rushed to condemn the "atrocities".


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Free_Radical
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posted 23 May 2007 05:47 AM      Profile for Free_Radical     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Zimbabwe slum evictions 'a crime'
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The forcible eviction of 700,000 people from slums in Zimbabwe in 2005 was "a crime against humanity", according to independent legal opinion.

The human rights groups that sought the legal advice, say the issue could now be referred to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

. . .

The Geneva-based Centre on Housing Rights and Evictions and another group, Zimbabwe Lawyers for Human Rights, sought independent legal opinion.

This concluded that the evictions in Zimbabwe were a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population, as part of state policy.

"What happened in Zimbabwe was akin in magnitude to the Asian tsunami," Zimbabwean human rights lawyer Alec Muchadehma told reporters in The Hague.

The finding is that Operation Murambatsvina was a crime against humanity, and the UN Security Council therefore has authority to refer the matter to the International Criminal Court.

. . .

The programme to build new homes to replace those demolished has faltered, says Amnesty International in its 2007 annual report.

"By May (2006) one year after the programmes launch, only 3,325 houses have been built, compared to 92,460 housing structures destroyed in Operation Murambatsvina," it said.

In recent years, millions of Zimbabweans have left the country as it grapples with runaway inflation, high unemployment and food shortages.



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Bobolink
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posted 23 May 2007 07:59 AM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is anybody surprised that this is happening in a country run by an old Stalinist like Mugabe? It is instructive to read history some time.

The Mugabe Crime Family


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N.Beltov
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posted 23 May 2007 08:09 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whatever oppressive bastard Mugabe is today he was once a formidable anti-apartheid fighter. And the terrible economic conditions in Zimbabwe are not all of his doing; the Bretton Woods institutions [IMF, WTO, and the World Bank] and members of the G-8 have seen to that.

Still, Zimbabwians have to find a way to get him out of power.


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unionist
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posted 23 May 2007 10:07 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
Is anybody surprised that this is happening in a country run by an old Stalinist like Mugabe?

No. The only thing that surprises me is those who attack Mugabe because he is the oppressive flavour-of-the-month in Washington and London.

The same NGO that was referred to in Free_Radical's link (the Centre on Housing Rights and Evictions) is not quite as selective in its exposure of crime as George W. Bush and Tony Blair and their fans are. Here is a recent exposé about an old Stalinist Canadian mining company, Skye Resources, from January 2007:

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On 8 January 2007, the GAR (private police forces) and the armed forces evicted 80 Mayan-Q'eq'chi families from the community of La Pista and 228 families from La Union, in the region of El Estor, Izabal, Guatemala.

On 9 January, the community of La Revolución, also in El Estor, Isabal, was forcibly evicted, rendering 175 Q'eq'chi families homeless.

The eviction was carried out by 650 soldiers and police, accompanied by a private gray, white and blue helicopter, which flew low over the communities, intimidating the inhabitants.

The evicted families lost 18 homes which were burned and destroyed by chainsaws in the hands of individuals hired by the Guatemala Nickel Company (wholly owned subsidiary of Skye Resources Inc.), which claims to own the land on which these families have lived for generations. [...]


Of course, we shouldn't talk about Canadian crimes of eviction in foreign lands, when it is so much more fun to talk about Mugabe's crimes in his own country.

ETA: If you have 10 min. to spare, watch this:

[ 23 May 2007: Message edited by: unionist ]


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Fidel
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posted 23 May 2007 11:34 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Bobolink
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posted 23 May 2007 07:33 PM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Typical Unionist deflection. Totally unable to defend a Communist dictator.
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posted 23 May 2007 07:36 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ceti:
Mumbai city and the Maharashtra state government cleared slums last year, making 300,000 people homeless (the biggest ever). There did not seem to be much denunciation of that, even though it was also quite brutal.

So where is the international condemnation of this move?

Hell, while we're at it, what about Canadian outrage that their own companies and government were involved with the mass "resettlement" that took place to build the Three Gorges Dam in China.

[ 23 May 2007: Message edited by: laine lowe ]


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unionist
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posted 23 May 2007 07:39 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
Typical Unionist deflection. Totally unable to defend a Communist dictator.

1. I don't defend Mugabe. I merely question those who robotically attack whomever Big Brother tells them to.

2. "Communist dictator!" You talk like some kind of Cold War dinosaur whose sleep was disturbed in an archeological dig. Don't forget to check carefully underneath your bed for Red Murderers before sleepy time tonight.

3. You condemn others for home evictions, but when your own country is complicit, you scream "deflection". My aim was not deflection - it was to shine a merciless light on Hypocrisy. Gotcha!


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posted 23 May 2007 07:43 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by laine lowe:

So where is the international condemnation of this move?


We don't condemn George W. Bush, Tony Blair, and Stephen Harper's friends for doing evil things.

We only condemn George W. Bush, Tony Blair, and Stephen Harper's enemies for doing evil things.

It's such a simple formula, I'm puzzled that some people have a hard time committing it to memory...


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laine lowe
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posted 23 May 2007 08:59 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Agreed unionist. It really is eye-opening to do a background check on some of the organizations on the forefront of giving Bush, Blair et al amunition. Some of the board members and directors of such organizations as Human Rights Watch and Reporters Without Borders for example deserve much closer scrutiny.
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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 23 May 2007 10:01 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And yet, interestingly enough, it doesn't deny the human rights abuses that they're reporting.
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Fidel
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posted 24 May 2007 12:29 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's never about human rights. Human rights is typically a Trojan horse for the CIA, Brits and Pentagon capitalists to install a puppet dictatorship friendly to corruption of power and throwing a nation of people at the mercy of a global banking cabal. They've even been known to hire contract protesters.
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Caissa
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posted 24 May 2007 03:43 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This thread reads like a million others on this topic. The roles played by the characters are so typical. It should open for an extended run on broadway.

I guess it's true that the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

These threads predictably turn into monologues with scarce dialogue.

P.S. Mugabe has to go.


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unionist
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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:

These threads predictably turn into monologues with scarce dialogue.

Interesting that you superciliously comment on the posters but don't make a single comment on the actual posts. I guess you're trying to prove your own point?

So what do you think of selective condemnation of home eviction and destruction?


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Caissa
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posted 24 May 2007 03:59 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We've been down this road before Unionist. Someone wants to discuss the behaviour of Mugabe and you say but what about all of those other atrocities. You call it pointing out hypocrisy, I call it deflection. The monologues go on.
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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
You call it pointing out hypocrisy, I call it deflection.

No, Bobolink called it "deflection" before you popped up here. He did so because his interest is to connect Mugabe's crimes with "Stalinism" and "Communism". I simply responded showing that home eviction and destruction are not unique to Communists - and that certain people shouldn't try so hard to religiously follow the Bush-Blair agenda that they are actually blinded to similar crimes much closer to home.

Given the widespread nature of such crimes against impoverished populations around the world, one really wonders whether the removal or departure of Mugabe will change anything on that front. You seem to think it would, but so far you have only contributed one 4-word sentence on the topic of this thread.

If "Mugabe has to go", will the problems of Zimbabwe such as the home evictions be resolved?


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posted 24 May 2007 10:25 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And will the AIDS epidemic in Africa go when Mugabe goes ?.

Will the western-backed mercenaries and corporate-colonialism in general flee the Congo's rich mineral districts if Mugabe goes ?.

Will Neo-Liberal Capitalism finally work somewhere in the world ?. Africa's poorest of poor nations in the world need socialism not what the IMF and World Bank and Washington consensus have already proven does not work in a range of still desperately poor countries.

Neo-Liberal capitalism is a colossal failure even in the U.S. today. Pockets of prosperity are evident here and there, but failing capitalism is having to abandon large sections of North America in order to focus in creating isolated pockets of propserity in inner cities and surrounded by increasing layers of poverty and want. 350 million Indians go to bed hungry every night in democratic capitalist India, and 90 percent of the estimated 800 million illiterate human beings in the world are women. Militant Islam and Washington consensus are completely compatible.


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Filtering out all the dogma, economics and dictator worship, what is life like for the ordinary person in Zimbabwe under this guy? Does anybody know? I'm pretty sure we don't have any Zimbabweans posting here, and I know it's not the number one Canadian tourist destination. But somebody must know someone whose from there, or been there.
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Fidel
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Have any of the enquiring minds ever wondered what life is like in surrounding countries? ie. where Mugabe has no part in the grinding poverty and repressive conditions in general ?.

What the West Doesn't Want to Know Zimbabwe's fight for justice

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posted 24 May 2007 11:32 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We chose not to go in to Zim when we where in Botswana in January. We decided to stay in Chobe instead of going to the Falls. The Zim side of Victoria Falls can be overwhelming for tourist as so many people are desperate for American money. Part of me wishes we had gone as who knows if when we go next time if it will even be possible to go to the Zim side of the falls safely.

We were told by guides in the park that the poverty in Zimbabwe is one of the reasons so many poachers cross the Chobe River to poach rhinos in Chobe National Park. It got so bad they have relocated all the rhinos to a different area of Botswana away from the border.

We stayed in Gabarone with some of my husband's family for a few days while who had just returned from attending a Southern Africa Swim meet in Zim. His cousin managed to smuggle out some Zim dollars, it's illegal to take the currency outside the country and it has an expiration date on it. The currency is good for at most about 6 months I believe, so people spend it as quick as they can. They are constantly removing zeros from bills and inflation is out of control. People can't put any money away in the bank because the government keeps devaluing the currency. The only way to be finacial safer is to be paid in American money which isn't an option for most people.

Our family in Botswana has many friends who have left Zimbabwe after losing their farms, and those farms are given to cronies of Mugabe who aren't farmers. This is causing serious food shortgages. Not that white farmers should have kept the land neccesarily but the land is being used as bribery and the people are suffering. It wasn't taken away from white farmers for the people but for paying off favorites.

What was so striking to us when we were over there is how two neighbouring countries seem to be travelling in opposite directions. Zimbabwe is heading towards deep poverty and an Aids disaster of immense proportions, with violence likely to spill into surrounding nations, where as Botswana is building highways, replacing mud hut with cinder block homes, fighting Aids through cultural education and embracing tourism to employ it's people. Botswana is the future and Zimbabwe is a disaster which could spill over and hurt Botswana which I find very scary.


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Fidel
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posted 24 May 2007 06:46 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Andrew Buncombe is a third world traveler, too. He says infant mortality in Botswana and Zimbabwe are comparable with Iraq's since the U.S.-led medieval siege of that country began in 1991.
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posted 24 May 2007 06:54 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fidel is raising some challenging questions which I would very much like to hear answered.

I, like many friends, colleagues, and co-workers, actively supported the struggle of the people of South Africa, Namibia, and Zimbabwe against apartheid, colonialism, and minority rule.

Today, the most aggressive imperialist regimes in the world - whose forebears opposed the struggle of those peoples - are beating the drums for freedom of Zimbabwe. Why?

That doesn't mean Robert Mugabe is not an oppressive dictator. It does, however, mean that progressive people need to ask lots of questions and not settle for easy answers.

Questions like the ones Fidel is asking.

To add to Fidel's links, here is an article by a babbler - Brendan Stone - which I found quite provocative.


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Fidel
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It's very provocative. The article gets interesting when it discusses the coup plot, the ensuing trial and CIA-British involvement. I don't think the west is interested whatsoever with investing in Zimbabwe's social or economic development. They want some hand-picked lackey in there who will agree to throw the country into oppressive IMF or World Bank debt while doing nothing about the AIDS crisis or poverty in general. Of twelve major wars in Africa, the CIA has been involved in eleven of them.
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