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steffie
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posted 09 April 2005 01:49 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How complicated would it be to start my own business? I know nothing about math and taxes and such; is this knowledge a requirement? How much money do I need to begin?

This URL is somewhat helpful, but seems also to be a huge advertisement for Bill Gates.


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Anchoress
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posted 09 April 2005 02:05 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are numerous education, financing, and mentorship programs for people who start their own business. Check out:

The Business Development Bank of Canada
Western Diversification
The BC Women's Enterprise Society
Google results for 'small business' mentorship Canada sites

FYI my mother used to be involved in small business loans counselling, and the stats say most small businesses fail because of a poor business plan. Now there are lots of people who will say they succeeded with their small business and they never *had* a business plan, but compared to the number of startups, these success stories make up only a tiny percentage.

The fact is most neophyte entrepreneurs mistake being 'busy' for being 'profitable', and - maybe because of poor, misapplied or non-existent accounting skills - don't find out until their first year-end that they have been operating at a loss. Or they have cash-flow problems, where they have the business but not the bridge financing to get them through the manufacturing phase.

The book my mother recommended to all her clients was: The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don't Work and What to Do About It. The 'e' is for Entrepreneur.


Edited to add:

A few notes: First, you don't have to be looking for financing to use the financial institutions listed. When I worked for the FBDB they did oodles of counselling and mentorship even for people who weren't clients. The same is true I believe for the other funders.

You'll notice that the BCWES and WD are both for Western Canada; if you're not there, I'm sure similar programs exist for other parts of Canada; perhaps contacting them would yield more information. And a clarification, WD is BC to MB.

Another key point in the e-myth book is an observation that many people go into business to do something they love, where they would probably be happier and better-compensated to do the work they love for someone else. The point the book makes is that there is a difference between 'self-employed' and 'small business-owner', but lots of people who start their own business are really just under-employed contractors who took the advice of loved-ones who told them 'gee, you're good at that; you should start your own business!'.

Not to sound negative, but it is an important point I think.

[ 09 April 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ]


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steffie
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posted 09 April 2005 02:27 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cool, thanks!

P.S. When I grow up I want to be Audra Williams.


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steffie
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posted 09 April 2005 02:35 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
lots of people who start their own business are really just under-employed contractors

OK so you nailed me. Am I naiive to think I can start a business to supplement my under-employment? Or maybe freelancing is what I mean to do. Can somebody help clarify the difference?


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posted 09 April 2005 02:40 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been freelancing for the last 22 years. I sell my own services, don't have employees or inventory. There was no formal start-up. I use my own name. If you bill over $35,000 (I think) a year, you have to register for GST or HST and charge your clients. What are you planning on doing, steffie?
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posted 09 April 2005 02:48 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although you don't have to register for GST unless your bill of $30K or $35k, if you're just starting up and you expect to be buying lots of startup equipment, you may want to consider that if you end up paying more GST for equipment, bills, supplies, etc, than you collect, you get a GST refund.
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steffie
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posted 09 April 2005 03:04 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I want to sell my skills as a writer and communicator. I can: write (poetry/prose/resumes/cover letters), proofread, edit, condense, expand, whatever. As well, my tutoring seems to be picking up, so I would include "English grammar/lit. tutoring" as another service.

I am painfully aware that there are professional companies and NPOs that provide some of these services. So, for the lack of a specialized degree, I am wracking my brain trying to spin my skills into some sort of niche that I can specialize in.

I just feel that I have so much potential to be of service to people, to offer something really great. And, that I am worth more money than I am currently earning.


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posted 09 April 2005 03:26 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by steffie:
Cool, thanks!

P.S. When I grow up I want to be Audra Williams.


Aw! Thanks!


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posted 09 April 2005 03:28 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are lots of people who succeed as independent contractors, but you should look carefully to see whether or not it is for you.

There are lots and lots of angles to consider:

1. Most successful independent contractors (there are a few on this board, maybe they will weigh in) had paid experience in their field before they struck out on their own. Many were able to keep existing clients when they went private. Have you done work in this field? If not, you may have a few lean years before you start making an income.

2. While you enjoy a lot of freedom from self-employment, you also have to recognise the downside; no CPP or EI contributions, more responsibility for your taxes, no extended health benefits, no extra retirement benefits. You will have to be ruthlessly self-examining to determine whether or not you are the kind of person who could discipline yourself to budget and save the way you will need to in order to protect your future.

3. You will have to look carefully at your clientele. The federal government is getting much more unforgiving with people who call themselves independent contractors/self-employed/freelance/entrepreneurs, but who have only one or two clients. In many cases - I know people to whom this has happened - they are 'coming after' contractors and their employers and saying 'this person wasn't a contractor, s/he was an employee', and demanding EI, CPP, Tax, etc remittances from both parties.


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posted 09 April 2005 04:29 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A lot of us don't have the frigging choice and were "outsourced" in the nasty outsourcing 1980s. We are underprotected workers, disguised as self-employeds - or worse, as mini-entrepreneurs. Nobody will hire a woman my age as permanent staff, though they are swift to call for all kinds of knowledge and experience.

It is not up to individual workers to protect our futures. That is a matter of social struggle.


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posted 09 April 2005 06:53 PM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You forgot about an expense called WCB. Or in Ontario, if you must, WSIB. Which means Your Fault Insurance. Most of my neices and nephews have small businesses and none of them pay WCB, for obvious reasons. They only hire family. Because other family members have injured themselves very permanently and none of them receive WCB, or in ontario, WSIB. Notice how they took out the Worker's part of it. It's all about Safety, not Workers. So if your computer is not set up ergonomically "for your comfort" then you will no doubt develop RSI. Which guess what? is not covered by WSIB or WCB.
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Bernard W
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posted 10 April 2005 08:45 AM      Profile for Bernard W        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been self-employed for almost 20 years (semi-retired now ), so I may have a few tips...

Starting up is not that hard. Essentially you'll need a GST number; for the 'math' stuff you may want to get an accountant (if you have one in your extended family / friends you may get some free advice there!). However, even with an accountant, you'll need to keep track of your income and expenses yourself. This is fairly simple and only takes a couple of hours a month.

Like Anchoress said above, it helps a lot to have some customers lined up before your start. In my case I did consulting as a side-line for about one year, while keeping my full-time employment, before going solo for good.

Another point mentioned above is health benefits. I was lucky myself to be able to share the benefit plan of my better half; if you're not in that position, you may want to consider buying a plan. There may be group plans out there for your profession (I did use the one provided by APCC-Ontario during those years my wife stayed home).

If the business is your main or only income, make sure you buy disability insurance. The problem with WCB is that it only covers you if you injure yourself at work. If you fall off a ladder while painting your ceiling, you're out of luck! One of my friend's dad suffered such an accident and could not work for 2 years. He lost nearly everything as he had no income replacement. Don't let that happen to you.

Finally, going in business is a lot more work than being employed. Make sure it is substantially improving your financial situation before taking the plunge. A rule of thumb is that if you can confidently double your income by going independent, and keep busy, go for it.

Good luck!


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steffie
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posted 13 April 2005 11:13 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
In my case I did consulting as a side-line for about one year, while keeping my full-time employment, before going solo for good.

Bernard, this is what I see myself doing, indefinitely. And, since you have your PM feature turned off, I'll ask you here about claiming that "extra" income. How much do I have to make on the side to warrant claiming it on my tax return? What's that you say? Nobody has to be the wiser? Do go on...

[disclaimer]For the record, there is absolutely no additional income at this time. None whatsoever. I am a law-abiding individual who has only seldom wondered seriously about the nuances of tax evasion.[/disclaimer]


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Bernard W
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posted 14 April 2005 10:34 PM      Profile for Bernard W        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Steffie, because my clients were corporations and paid with cheques (would have been nice to get cash-stuffed envelopes like those Liberal operatives! ), I had to declare the income. However I was able to claim all expenses related to the business:

- one room in my house which I turned into an office/lab
- travel to/from clients (you can pay yourself 0.31$ per km)
- write off computer(s), materials, books, etc.

Again you have to be careful with those 'write offs'; sure, the money you spend is before-tax, but you still spend it anyway. Many of my fellow consultants got fried buying lavish meals, trips and luxury cars and saying 'no problem, I'll write it off'.

Now if you get paid cash, you can probably keep quiet about it. Many tradespeople in this country operate like that...

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posted 14 April 2005 11:20 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think you need a GST number if you make over $30,000 in a year; there are specific exceptions such as providing certain services to Indian bands, etc. [and if you do that, get a letter from them that states you are doing such things].

I've gone the route of digging up short-term contracts where you have to estimate how long a job will take, which is difficult to do [hint: it almost always takes longer]. This is an insecure life and it helps if you have a cushion to live on between contracts. If you do not need money too urgently, you can relax and avoid rush hours and such stresses. And there are the business-use-of-home tax deductions.

I've had major long-lasting contracts which were more or less like working full-time without the financial benefits; they were more secure and allowed me to save money, but I got burned out and bored with too much data work and not enough brain work. I'm back to insecurity and enjoying it, but do have to beware of the money running out.


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posted 15 April 2005 10:36 AM      Profile for Igor the Miserable   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Contrarian is correct. You must register for the GST and obtain a business number from the Canada Revenue Agency if you earn more than $30,000 in a single calendar quarter or in four consecutive calendar quarters. See this link for more detail.

There are plenty of legitimate write offs available to you as a self employed person, so if you ask me it would be foolish to try to cheat the system and risk being caught in an audit.

I would also advise against getting caught up in the whole business name racket. If you get a GST number and simply operate under your own name, you can avoid having to
register your business provincially. You'll also be able to just deposit your cheques through your existing personal account, rather than being forced to open a separate small business account and pay additional banking fees.

Of course some accountants may try to tell you otherwise, but they're probably just trying to find a way to increase their billable hours. There's no need to make things more complicated. With a basic software package like Quick Tax, even those business owners who are not mathematically inclined should have no trouble managing their own taxes.

Hope that's of some help. Feel free to ask if you have other questions!


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posted 15 April 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for Leuca     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Contrarian is correct. You must register for the GST and obtain a business number from the Canada Revenue Agency if you earn more than $30,000 in a single calendar quarter or in four consecutive calendar quarters. See this link for more detail.

I know lots of people who don't bother with a GST number, who make more than $30,000, but only claim $30,000 or less officially.

That figure of $30,000 was part of the original legislation back when it was first introduced, I would think. That's a problem, $30,000 15 years ago is not $30,000 today. That number should automatically be adjusted for inflation, cost of living increases, and it clearly has not been. That's poor management on the part of the federal government.

Better yet the GST should be 'killed scrapped and abolished'. That would be a really good idea. I think somebody already thought of that idea a while back. 'The proof is the proof is the proof and when it is proven it is proven.'


By the way, take a look at 'Simply Accounting' software. Made in Canada for Canadians. Allows one to test drive it. I think one can do 32 transactions with the software to get a feel for it, see how it works, see if it fits one's needs, but on the 33 transaction, it shuts down, that's the free sample, by then one should know if one likes it. It's seems like it is very user friendly, and seems like it has gotten to be more so over time. Always making improvements and such. I think there are a few versions, one sure to allow you to do what you need to do. Check it out.

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posted 15 April 2005 01:31 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Igor, thanks for the link about write-offs; very useful, as was your whole post.

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posted 15 April 2005 01:40 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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You'll also be able to just deposit your cheques through your existing personal account, rather than being forced to open a separate small business account and pay additional banking fees.

I agree. However, I suggest you use a different personal account for the business. Use a good old-fashioned deposit book for depositing revenue (plus take a copy of the client's cheque) and get all the cheques back with a monthly statement. Attach receipts to cheques. If you pay for something out of cash, write yourself a cheque and attach the receipts to it when it comes back with a statement.

If you are ever audited by the Canada Revenue Agency, you'll be in pretty good shape.


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posted 15 April 2005 02:43 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for asking this question Steffie. And thanks to all with info, it has been very helpful. I've been planning on selling my paintings again seriously and I want to get set up and organized in my business now that I am settled in the house.
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You should talk to HRSDC about the SEB (self-employment benefits) program. It can provide a small "salary" to help you get up & running, if your business plan is sound - and they'll help you to put that together.
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posted 19 April 2005 02:25 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Steffie, just curious, why did you decide to become a bourgoisie capitalist pig who does nothing but exploit the oppressed workers?
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posted 19 April 2005 02:26 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Read the thread Gir, she's only going to be oppressing herself.
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posted 19 April 2005 02:36 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno, maybe she'll at least get a chance to grind the faces of the poor once in a while.
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posted 19 April 2005 06:37 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
v.interesting thread. i'm not as interested in starting my own business (though i've done freelance writing/editing over the last 1 1/2 years). but, there is a local books/comics store (near to an area with a high income, as well as being in a very student-ey area) whose owner is looking to potentially sell. i need to find out, right quick, about cash flow and business plans and small business loans.
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posted 14 August 2005 09:53 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No oppression of the workers. I want to be an independent contractor. So far, I have been hired by a woman (who happens to be a Speech-Language Pathologist) to tutor her son in English.

She believes that she can bring me aboard under her business, to sell us "as a team." (Her son's progress under my tutelage would be a great selling point!)

Even if I only teach her son and one or two other students, I can stand to make about $1000-1500 a month. Considering that I'm currently pulling in slightly less than that amount with my regular job, it looks pretty darned sweet to me.

My worries stem from feeling that I am qualified enough to call myself a tutor, an educator. Am I stepping on the toes of teachers and "professional" tutors? Or should I care?

I do a damned good job of it and truly know that this is what I was meant to do. It speaks to me in a deep and meaningful way.

I have begun by playing around with programs such as MS Front Page to create a brochure. A web site would be good too.

Melsky, I think your site where you display/sell your art is cool. Would you post the link again?


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the fastest growing market for self-employed people with your attributes, IMO, is probably in adult education and training. our union hires trainers all the time , and usually they are charging a thousand bucks a head for 2-3 day 8 hour sessions ,plus expenses.
ESL is a big business as well, and offers a lot of travel opportunities.

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quote:
Originally posted by steffie:

My worries stem from feeling that I am qualified enough to call myself a tutor, an educator. Am I stepping on the toes of teachers and "professional" tutors? Or should I care?

I do a damned good job of it and truly know that this is what I was meant to do. It speaks to me in a deep and meaningful way.

I


The "I'm a Cheat" feeling. It's hard to start charging the going rate for something that in the past you were only paid a wage for, isn't it? I had to keep reminding myself when I started that my boss had billed my services out for jillions more than he paid me to provide them, and that yes, dammit, I was worth the money.

The best part of not working for someone else is the flexibility when it comes to scheduling your own life. And do be ever so careful with tracking your expenses and recording your revenues, audits are somehow both nerve wracking and dreadfully boring all at once.

BTW, I like Simply better than QB, but thats just a personal preference. Simply doesn't let you go wrong as completely and hopelessly as QB.


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