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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 25 June 2006 08:35 AM
quote: IF PRESIDENT Bush wanted to deal with Iran by "bombing them back into the stone age", (as an American general once put it during the Vietnam War), now would be the time. With everybody riveted to the World Cup, who would notice?
Mon Dieu, Mondial! (Balls instead of Bullets) [ 27 June 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ] [ 27 June 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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posted 02 July 2006 04:21 PM
Excellent article, CMOT Dibbler, but I hope no one just reads your quote and carries on, because the quote is actually a satirical forgery created by the author to make a point - the next para reads: quote: A Hamas leaflet of last week? Not exactly. With appropriate changes, this leaflet was published on July 2, 1946 - sixty years ago almost to the day - by the Haganah, after "Black Saturday".
Sorry if I spoiled the surprise ending, but you never know - some genius on babble will quote it next year as having been an authentic leaflet. [ 02 July 2006: Message edited by: unionist ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 16 July 2006 05:11 PM
quote: Just two weeks after the tragedy of an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hamas into Gaza, history repeated itself on the Lebanese border, this time as farce. Hezbollah, the Middle East's most sophisticated guerilla, managed to kidnap two Israeli soldiers into Lebanon. Once again it took the Israeli army almost an hour to figure out that two of its troops were missing. The soldiers must have been already "far, far away," as the charismatic Hassan Nasrallah said contemptuously, when the army took the odd decision to send a tank into Lebanon to get them. Just 70 meters north of the border fence, the Merkava "one of the most protected tanks in the world" drove over a powerful bomb and was completely destroyed. All four crew members were killed instantly. It then took the army more than 12 hours to extricate the wreck and recover the bodies, under heavy fire in which yet another soldier was killed, bringing the total number of Israeli casualties in the incident to eight. The strongest army in the Middle East seems unable to protect its own soldiers, let alone Israel's citizens. A sane state would send its talented chief of staff home; Israel, instead, sent him to wreak havoc in Lebanon.
The Army Wants Action
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posted 27 July 2006 02:33 PM
quote: - Who is winning this war?On the 15th day of the war, Hizbullah is functioning and fighting. That by itself will go down in the annals of the Arab peoples as a shining victory. When a featherweight boxer faces a heavyweight and is still standing in the 15th round - that is a victory, whatever the final outcome.
Q & A: The 15th Day
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posted 04 August 2006 08:02 AM
quote: THE DAY after the war will be the Day of the Long Knives. Everybody will blame everybody else. The politicians will blame each other. The generals will blame each other. The politicians will blame the generals. And, most of all, the generals will blame the politicians.
The Knife in the Back
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posted 04 August 2006 08:44 AM
The knives are already out among the hate-mongering neocons. Olmert is too "soft" and not slaughtering the Lebanese efficiently enough according to one Washington Post columnist. quote: The United States has gone far out on a limb to allow Israel to win and for all this to happen. It has counted on Israel's ability to do the job. It has been disappointed. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has provided unsteady and uncertain leadership. Foolishly relying on air power alone, he denied his generals the ground offensive they wanted, only to reverse himself later. He has allowed his war cabinet meetings to become fully public through the kind of leaks no serious wartime leadership would ever countenance. Divisive cabinet debates are broadcast to the world, as was Olmert's own complaint that "I'm tired. I didn't sleep at all last night" (Haaretz, July 28). Hardly the stuff to instill Churchillian confidence.His search for victory on the cheap has jeopardized not just the Lebanon operation but America's confidence in Israel as well. That confidence -- and the relationship it reinforces -- is as important to Israel's survival as its own army. The tremulous Olmert seems not to have a clue.
Krauthammer: KILL, KILL, KILL!!
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posted 06 August 2006 08:39 AM
quote: FOR ME it was a moment of shocking revelation.I was listening to one of the daily speeches of our Prime Minister. He said: "We are a wonderful people!" He said: We have already won this war, it is the greatest victory in the history of our state. He said: We have changed the face of the Middle East. And more to that effect. Well, I told myself, that's Olmert.
Junkies of War
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posted 08 August 2006 05:49 PM
quote: All generalizations are wrong, except this one: Israeli liberal intellectuals are against war. They have always been against it, and they even suffered greatly for their critical views, as they stress proudly. They were against the previous war, they will be against the next war, they are against all wars. There is just one minor exception, though: the present war, every present war, which they always support. Because the present war well, that's something totally different from all those other wars! How can you even compare?! The present war is always inevitable, and necessary, and just, and worthy of support.
Israeli Intellectuals Love the War [ 08 August 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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posted 13 August 2006 07:14 AM
quote: SO WHAT has happened to the Israeli army?This question is now being raised not only around the world, but also in Israel itself. Clearly, there is a huge gap between the army's boastful arrogance, on which generations of Israelis have grown up, and the picture presented by this war.
What the Hell has Happened to the Isreali Army [ 13 August 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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posted 13 August 2006 01:18 PM
Interesting conclusion--the needs of occupation are destroying the Israeli Army. quote: More than once it has been said in this column that an army that has been acting for many years as a colonial police force against the Palestinian population - "terrorists", women and children - and spending its time running after stone-throwing boys, cannot remain an efficient army. The test of results confirms this..... THE COMMON denominator of all the failures is the disdain for Arabs, a contempt that has dire consequences. It has caused total misunderstanding, a kind of blindness of Hizbullah's motives, attitudes, standing in Lebanese society etc.
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posted 16 August 2006 04:12 PM
quote: THIRTY THREE days of war. The longest of our wars since 1949.On the Israeli side: 154 dead - 117 of them soldiers. 3970 rockets launched against us, 37 civilians dead, more than 422 civilians wounded. On the Lebanese side: about a thousand dead civilians, thousands wounded. An unknown number of Hizbullah fighters dead and wounded. More than a million refugees on both sides. So what has been achieved for this terrible price?
From Mania to Depression
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posted 20 August 2006 07:59 PM
quote: WITH A few words, a Lebanese army officer destroyed, the day before yesterday, the illusion that Israel had achieved anything in this war.At a televised Lebanese army parade that was also broadcast on Israeli TV , the officer read a prepared text to his assembled troops, who were about to be deployed along the Lebanese-Israeli border.
The 155th Victim
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posted 20 August 2006 11:37 PM
This is a report from a blogger in Lebanon describing what's left of southern Lebanon. It's a riveting read: quote: In the village of Aita al-Shaab we found a family sifting by hand through the remains of their house. They found what they were looking for: the bodies of the grandparents, several weeks old and not all in one piece. They were no longer human beings, but rather masses of putrid, rotting flesh falling off the bones, leaving an unmistakable stench that was only partially mitigated by some coverings that the family had placed to try to preserve a shred of dignity.In her grief, the daughter of the elderly couple launched into an indictment of George Bush and the U.S. relationship with Israel, which I was fortunate enough to capture on film: "Let the people of America see our children. Let all Americans know what Mr. Bush has done to us, that this is his democracy, his "New Middle East". We don't blame Israelis. We have always known what they are. I have a two-year-old baby who can't stop saying, 'They broke my house. I want my house.' Can the American president answer this child? Have the American people no reaction to the gifts of Mr. Bush to the people of Lebanon? He cares more about a dog than for the killing of an entire nation. Does he want to kill the people of the Middle East to create a 'land without people'? We are the Middle East, and without us there is none. Heaven without angels is not heaven. I do not blame the Israelis. I blame Bush, who proclaims democracy and humanity and freedom and dignity, to be imposed upon the entire world with steel and fire, while he professes to believe in God. That's what I want to tell Mr. Bush. I'm looking for my Mom and Dad underneath these ruins. To me they are everything, and even a grain of the soil of this land is more honorable than Mr.Bush. He cannot rule our country even under fire. Even if we are dead, we will be free. His great technology is useless. Is this the way to use technology? Let him learn how to use technology for good. He cannot rule us this way. We are honored to give our blood for our country, even our souls and our houses. We live under the sun of freedom, while he [Bush] has no honor. We've been looking for my parents for 22 days, but of course this is of no interest to Mr. Bush. Let Americans know that the hunger that they suffer is so that Israel can have the weapons to destroy Arab countries. I hope that Americans learn the reality of what is going on. We will stay here. This is our land. We are not afraid of them and their weapons." Of course there was plenty of evidence that they (IDF) had been there recently. They had painted graffiti, broken into some of the homes, put their cigarettes out on the furniture, eaten the food, smashed nearly everything that could be smashed and vandalized wedding pictures and pictures of the Virgin Mary. (Just to show you the misconceptions westerners hold about religious attitudes here, the house belonged to a Muslim man who simply liked to venerate this Christian icon of his fellow Lebanese.)
The land is still there - Paul Larudee writing from Beirut, Live from Lebanon On today's report of the CBC news they briefly showed a shelled house with graffiti written by Israeli soldiers on it. They mentioned the graffiti but didn't mention what it said. I'm sure it's another "from Israel with love" type message that any reporter who translates this into English will be promptly fired. Has any other news source covered this?
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posted 27 August 2006 12:49 PM
Nasrallah: Wouldn't have snatched soldiers if thought would spark war quote: "We did not think, even one percent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me, if I had known on July 11... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not," he said in an interview with Lebanon's New TV station.Nasrallah also said he did not believe there would be a second round of fighting with Israel, and that Hezbollah would adhere to the cease-fire despite what he called Israeli provocation. [...]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 10 September 2006 11:31 AM
quote: IN EVERY language there are some words that cannot be properly translated into any other. It seems that they express something intimately connected with the speakers of that language and rooted in their history, traditions and reality. Such words become international expressions, appearing in other languages in their original form.For example, the German word "Schadenfreude". Or the English word "gentleman" and the American word 'business". Or the Russian word "pogrom" (originally meaning devastation). Or the Japanese word "kamikaze" (divine wind, the title given to suicide bombers). Or the Mexican "manana" and the similar Arabic "bukra" (both meaning tomorrow. The difference between them? The joke says: Bukra is not so urgent.) And, lately, the Palestinian "intifada". The most prominent Hebrew addition to this international lexicon is "chutzpah", a word that has no equivalent in any other language. Some English words may come close (impertinence, cheek, insolence, impudence), but none conveys the full meaning of this Hebrew-Yiddish expression. It seems that it reflects something that is especially characteristic of Jewish reality, which was transferred to the State of Israel, which defines itself as a "Jewish State".
State of Chutzpah
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posted 11 October 2006 11:11 AM
quote: It is not nice to admit this, but I do get some pleasure from this war.Until the war broke out I thought that our media were the worst in the western world. From the very start of the Intifadah our media have been speaking in one uniform voice, faithfully parroting the official story, not asking probing questions, refraining from any real criticism. Barak turned every stone. He went farther than any previous Prime Minister. He gave everything and Arafat turned down his generous offers. We have no partner, etc. etc., ad infinitum. No thorough research, no examination of facts, no recording of testimony from all sides, no comparisons and no incisive conclusions.
Quiet! Theyre shooting!
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posted 15 October 2006 02:50 PM
From the link above: quote: he Palestinian Authority - both in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip - needs this money like air for breathing. This fact also requires some explanation: in the 19 years when Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt the Gaza Strip, from 1948 to 1967, not a single important factory was built there. The Jordanians wanted all economic activity to take place in Jordan proper, east of the river, and the Egyptians neglected the strip altogether.Then came the Israeli occupation, and the situation became even worse. The occupied territories became a captive market for Israeli industry, and the military government prevented the establishment of any enterprise that could conceivably compete with an Israeli one. The Palestinian workers were compelled to work in Israel for hunger wages (by Israeli standards). From these, the Israeli government deducted all the social payments levied on Israeli workers, without the Palestinian workers enjoying any social benefits. This way the government robbed these exploited workers of tens of billions of dollars, which disappeared somehow in the bottomless barrel of the government.
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posted 11 November 2006 08:03 PM
quote: "THANK GOD for the American elections," our ministers and generals sighed with relief.They were not rejoicing at the kick that the American people delivered to George W. Bush's ass this week. They love Bush, after all. But more important than the humbling of Bush is the fact that the news from America pushed aside the terrible reports from Beit Hanoun. Instead of making the headlines, they were relegated to the bottom of the page.
In One Word: MASSACRE!
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posted 17 December 2006 12:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler: Back to the Scene of the Crime
According to Seymour Hersh, the invasion was planned well in advance: "Washington's interest in Israel's war" http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact Whatever the truth, it's win/win from an antiwar activist's standpoint. If it was planned, it proves Israel's bad faith and hawkishness. If it wasn't planned, it proves Israel's incompetence, and hawkishness.
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posted 28 December 2006 10:54 AM
I disagree with the idea, in the linked article, that the "Don't Single Out" argument is flawed.I think it is very basic, and a test of whether the opposition to Israel is made up of hypocrites, or not. That is: those who can't find a word to say in criticism of Iran, or Hezbollah, or any of the other parties to the conflict, but are DEEPLY offended by Israel's human rights abuses, are simply hypocritical. When international conflicts arise, there will always be those who direct all criticism at "the other guy". In the Cold War, Stalin had his absolutist defenders, as did Truman-Eisenhower-Kennedy, etc. To me, the most enlightening writers on the Cold War were those who could put aside their political or ethnic favouritisms, and try to be even handed. That requires not singling out one side.
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posted 28 December 2006 11:05 AM
If one is talking about human rights abuses, and one talked ONLY about the Gulag in the Soviet Union, that would be stupid and unfair.Similarly, if one talked ONLY about human rights abuses in the United States, especially "the Negroes in the South", as the Communist Party did in the late forties, that would also be stupid and unfair. Both would be instances of "singling out". The Nazi case is not analogous to what is going on in Israel, nor is it analogous to what occurs in Syria or Iran, or within Hezbollah. If you need to resort to Nazi analogies to justify singling out Israel, you are proceeding on a false premise.
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posted 28 December 2006 11:08 AM
I was merely pointing out the false logic, not proposing that Israel was like Nazi Germany, but that it is the agressor. "We" supported Stalin unconditionally because he was in the right on the issue of the war, all else aside.Why should I engage in any kind of conversation with someone who routinely misconstrues what I say in order to smear me. For instance, I have never said, that Amedinejad was not a racist, I in fact said that it was likely that he was. However, your fist pounding outraged wailing and nashing of teeth, really requires simple ideas. So, you seem happy to make out that Amedinejad is Hitler renewed, but then whine like a little baby should anyone even mention Israel and Nazi Germany in the same sentence. The only thing your red-bating canard has achieved so far is to make me look reasonable, while you appear like a flailing maniac. I certainly hope you don't lose it like this in court -- god help your clients. How many lawyers at Wansee Jeff? [ 28 December 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]
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posted 28 December 2006 08:21 PM
quote: I disagree with the idea, in the linked article, that the "Don't Single Out" argument is flawed.
'I agree with Jeff. We should really stop singling out Isreal. To that end, I suggest that we stop refering to "america's best friend" as the only democracy in the middle east. We should also stop talking about it as if it were a bastion of tolerence, hemmed in all sides by arab savages. To do so is blatently unfair. Edited because of concerns about style. [ 31 December 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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posted 07 January 2007 04:50 PM
quote: The Anti-Defamation League won't say anything, and neither will the other Diaspora Jewish organizations. Bibi is just too big, too popular, too important, too much a symbol of Israel for the Diaspora Jewish establishment to say a word against him, let alone accuse him of being a shameless bigot.Two positive things happened: Members of the haredi public seriously joined the workforce. And on the national level, the unexpected result was the demographic effect on the non-Jewish public, where there was a dramatic drop in the birth rate. That's the Israeli people's overwhelming choice for prime minister talking. I hope The New York Times, CNN and every other major news medium in the world picks up this story and doesn't let it go until Israel and Diaspora Jewry are shamed into dumping this guy once and for all. On second thought, exposure as an anti-Arab racist by the international media could cause Netanyahu some problems overseas, but at home, it would only increase his appeal.
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posted 09 January 2007 01:47 PM
quote: But he won't be, because anti-Arab racism in Israel is either supported or strategically ignored by the mainstream of the Jewish world, and pretty much taken for granted by the gentile world.
I'm not entirely comfortable with this statemement. It sounds a like he is condemning a huge chunk of the world's jews as racists and hypocrites. If he had said: "...because anti-Arab racism in Israel is either supported or strategically ignored by several important organizations in the mainstream Jewish world..." It wouldn't sound like he was heaping scorn on Jews in general. I like the rest of the article but that part makes it seem like he's pulling a Tarek Fatah. [ 09 January 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ] [ 09 January 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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posted 09 January 2007 02:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
I'm not entirely comfortable with this statemement. It sounds a like he is condemning a huge chunk of the worlds jews as racists and hypocrites. If he had said: "...because anti-Arab racism in Israel is either supported or strategically ignored by several important organizations in the mainstream Jewish world..." It wouldn't sound like he was heaping scorn on Jews in general. I like the rest of the article but that part makes it seem like he's pulling a Tarek Fatah. [ 09 January 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
Quite.
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posted 09 January 2007 04:41 PM
Not to nit pick but... quote: ...and pretty much taken for granted by the gentile world.
The Gentile world includes 2 billion Christians 1.3 billion Muslims 900 million Hindus and 350 million Buddhists. To say that all those people take anti arab prejudice for granted is silly. and then there's this: quote: The Anti-Defamation League won't say anything, and neither will the other Diaspora Jewish organizations
Why didn't he just talk about Israel's allies within the diaspora? The diaspora is large( 9 and a half million Jews do not live in "The Holy Land") There are a lot of Jewish organizations based outside of Israel who oppose everything Bibi stands for. [ 09 January 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ] [ 09 January 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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posted 10 January 2007 07:50 PM
quote: A Haifa University survey investigating Arabs and Jews' views on one another reveals disturbing results. The poll showed that 75 percent of Jewish students believe that Arabs are uneducated people, are uncivilized and are unclean. On the other hand 25 percent of the Arab youth believe that Jews are the uneducated ones, while 57 percent of the Arab's believe Jews are unclean.
Ynet News
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