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mgcf50
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posted 22 November 2006 11:11 AM      Profile for mgcf50        Edit/Delete Post
Mike Harris is the forrmer conservative premier of ontar. He cut taxes, cut welfare rates, and eliminate rent controls leaving people to live and dies oon the street. His policies are responsible for 100 homeless people dying on the street of Toronto ever Year.

Harris continues to be dangerous. He and Preston Manning have just put out a proposal "Building a Canada Strong and Free' put out through the Frazer Institute. They are pushing the Harper Government to reduce government spending from 40% of GDP to 33% (It used to be 50%) by reducing taxes and shinking government. Harris wants Happer was to reduce government spending by about 1% for the next five years, reducing government spending to 6%. We all know that this means more homeless, more povertty, more suffering and more crime.

How do we stop the Harper Government from adopting Harris Poliicies. How do I become part of this.

Here is the link to The Agenda at TVO. There is a podcast of the interview with Mike Harris
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=7&ts=2006-11-20%2020:00:00.0&bpn=279040


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 22 November 2006 11:44 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
For more information on Mike Harris, check out his website.
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oldgoat
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posted 22 November 2006 12:03 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks a lot Scott. . I guess having a name like that could be a bit of an albatross around your neck politically.

But back to the original post. When you hear the names Harris Manning and Frazer Institute in the same sentence, it could never be a good thing. I guess the best way to stop the Harper government from adopting Harris policies by making sure there's no Harper government.

[ 22 November 2006: Message edited by: oldgoat ]


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Stargazer
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posted 22 November 2006 12:05 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Scott, that's not the same Mike Harris. I don't think this is a joke. Mike Harris is a disater for Canada, and so are his policies.

So, what can be done? Harper doesn't listen to anyone.


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John K
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posted 22 November 2006 04:57 PM      Profile for John K        Edit/Delete Post
Did anyone else notice when you click on the above link the 'Mike Harris' and 'The Death of Neo-Conservatism' stories have been placed side by side?

Memo to Mike Harris: TV Ontario is mocking you.


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progressive1
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posted 23 November 2006 03:20 PM      Profile for progressive1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm new to this board.\

Hey Scott, nice running in the last municipal election! I would have voted for you if I lived in your riding.

And having a name like Mike Harris, that name when I saw it on a local campaign sign makes me want to puke. It crawls under my skin. If I were that guy I would seriously apply for a name change.\

On the topic, yes Mike Harris IS dangerous. He and that puke John Baird and the entire neo con cancer that got into Canadian government must be removed quickly: hopefully this spring.


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progressive1
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posted 23 November 2006 03:33 PM      Profile for progressive1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As an addendum to what I think about the Harris, Baird and their ilk and their do nothing policies, they are basically all a self fulfilling prophecy.

Shrink government and drown it in a bathtub and there will be nothing left for services except those with thick wallets can buy in the private sector, which in turn yet further drowns out more public services.

It is a continuous death spiral, if you hold dear the institutions that make Canada great.


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civicduty
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posted 24 November 2006 06:25 AM      Profile for civicduty        Edit/Delete Post
What institutions make Canada great?
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bigcitygal
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posted 24 November 2006 06:31 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I didn't know there were institutions that make Canada great.

I didn't know Canada is great.

[ 24 November 2006: Message edited by: bigcitygal ]


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ILoveCheriDinovo
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posted 27 November 2006 05:36 PM      Profile for ILoveCheriDinovo        Edit/Delete Post
Why would anyone want the Conservatives to be out of power? After all, it is not the evil Liberals, and it was VERY important for the NDP to support the Conservatives.

So, don't complain about the Conservatives if you are a supporter of the NDP!


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remind
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posted 27 November 2006 06:16 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just changing the TAT page as the guy who posted last was an ugly troll.
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miles
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posted 27 November 2006 06:19 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Just changing the TAT page as the guy who posted last was an ugly troll.

Ironic that we found someone worse than Harris


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Michelle
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posted 27 November 2006 06:23 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Huh. I thought I'd gotten rid of all of this dude's aliases. Sorry about that. Taken care of now.
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clersal
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posted 27 November 2006 07:34 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We must be doing something right with this recent influx of trolls.
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remind
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posted 27 November 2006 08:57 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by clersal:
We must be doing something right with this recent influx of trolls.

Ya, the "devil" has them ensorcelled to the max!


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civicduty
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posted 29 November 2006 12:52 PM      Profile for civicduty        Edit/Delete Post
I do not mind trolls at all as long as they are polite and courteous in debate.

Whenever anyone resorts to personal attacks and insults, then the debate has been won by the other side.

I do not believe Harris was anymore dangerous than any other political leader. He unfortunately took over after a extreme period of unhealthy economic activity. Expenditures were definitely out of line due to the Liberal Party downloading to the provinces after their eletion in 1993.

If I recall, every premier whether they were liberal, ndp or conservative was saddled with the same problems. All of them resorted to programs funding realignments and downloading to their municipalities.

When the municipalities were hit, the leadership did not have the necessary fortitude to stand up and refuse to accept the outsourcing of wealth distribution programs without getting paid a premium for doing the function.

Since most municipalities are controlled by individuals on the left side of the political spectrum, they resort to their only way of rsolving a problem raise taxes and plead for more money from those above.

Municipalities are a creature of the province as dictated by the BNA and Constitution Act. If they refuse to accept to provide service that is a provincial responsibility, what can the province do? Undo the municipality? Take over the running of the municipality?

If they take over, then they have to fund the programs which is what they should be doing in the first place.

Our levels of government (federal, provincial, and municipal) do not have a revenue problem. They have expenditure problems.


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clersal
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posted 29 November 2006 01:40 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by civicduty:
I do not mind trolls at all as long as they are polite and courteous in debate.

Trolls come to Babble to be impolite and discourteous.

It was a nice thought though.


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Parkdale High Park
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posted 30 November 2006 10:44 PM      Profile for Parkdale High Park     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
At this point I think Manning/Harris hurt Harper more than they help. I can see him cringing whenever they come out with proposals - because he knows voters will connect him with those proposals (some of which are unpopular).

Then again, my view of Harper differs from most here. I believe he is a cynical vote-maximizer, out to win a government - even at the cost of his base. Graeme Mackay's cartoon from the 2004 election offers a nice summary:

http://www.mackaycartoons.net/Harper/harper2004-07-09.jpg


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Kevin_Laddle
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posted 30 November 2006 11:22 PM      Profile for Kevin_Laddle   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by mgcf50:
Mike Harris is the forrmer conservative premier of ontar. He cut taxes, cut welfare rates, and eliminate rent controls leaving people to live and dies oon the street. His policies are responsible for 100 homeless people dying on the street of Toronto ever Year.

Harris continues to be dangerous. He and Preston Manning have just put out a proposal "Building a Canada Strong and Free' put out through the Frazer Institute. They are pushing the Harper Government to reduce government spending from 40% of GDP to 33% (It used to be 50%) by reducing taxes and shinking government. Harris wants Happer was to reduce government spending by about 1% for the next five years, reducing government spending to 6%. We all know that this means more homeless, more povertty, more suffering and more crime.

How do we stop the Harper Government from adopting Harris Poliicies. How do I become part of this.

Here is the link to The Agenda at TVO. There is a podcast of the interview with Mike Harris
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=7&ts=2006-11-20%2 020:00:00.0&bpn=279040


Spell Check is your friend:

Mike Harris is the former conservative premier of Ontario. He cut taxes, cut welfare rates, and eliminated rent controls leaving people to live and dies on the street. His policies are responsible for 100 homeless people dying on the street of Toronto ever Year.

Harris continues to be dangerous. He and Preston Manning have just put out a proposal "Building a Canada Strong and Free' put out through the Frazer Institute. They are pushing the Harper Government to reduce government spending from 40% of GDP to 33% (It used to be 50%) by reducing taxes and shrinking government. Harris wants Harper was to reduce government spending by about 1% for the next five years, reducing government spending to 6%. We all know that this means more homeless, more poverty, more suffering and more crime.

How do we stop the Harper Government from adopting Harris Policies. How do I become part of this.

Here is the link to The Agenda at TVO. There is a pod cast of the interview with Mike Harris http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=7&ts=2006-11-20%2 020:00:00.0&bpn=279040


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ForestGreen
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posted 04 December 2006 10:06 PM      Profile for ForestGreen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Make that the "Fraser Institute"

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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 08 December 2006 08:35 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mike Harris is a vicious lazy and stupid racist pig. But dangerous? Not really - or at least, not anymore.

Better to have the Fraser Institute paying him to put his name on their neocon drivel than to have him feeding at the government trough. I certainly don't think it lends their cause any credibility to put his name on anything.

Now if only the Fraser Institute wasn't tax-exempt....


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Boom Boom
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posted 08 December 2006 08:44 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Harris gets company at Fraser Institute: Tobin joins Fraser Institute, despite past conflicts
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josh
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posted 08 December 2006 08:46 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Everybody has their price, I guess.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 08 December 2006 09:10 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Going from the Liberal Party to the Fraser Institute is not really that big a leap.
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 08 December 2006 12:07 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
OTOH, the Fraser Institute making the leap to a Liberal may indicate that even they've given up on Harper getting re-elected.
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Fidel
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posted 04 January 2007 11:15 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Word, LTJ. They can always rely on the Liberals to implement plan B, or is it plan "L" ?.
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Fidel
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posted 04 January 2007 11:21 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Going from the Liberal Party to the Fraser Institute is not really that big a leap.

I think "Fraser Inst." just sounds too dignified as far as most babblers are concerned. I propose we refer to them by their alternate moniker as branded by Canadian lefties : the right-wing Vancouver make-believe think tank ... from now on.

And wasn't CD Howe supposed to have been a Liberal in his day ?.


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Michelle
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posted 10 January 2007 04:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey, I never noticed before that this is in auntie.com. Since this isn't about an auntie.com article, I'll move this to the regional forum that includes Ontario.
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