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Frustrated Mess
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posted 02 October 2006 05:38 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf has disclosed that Omar Sheikh, who kidnapped and murdered American journalist Daniel Pearl and is now facing death penalty, was actually the British secret Agency MI6’s agent and had executed certain missions on their behest before coming to Pakistan and visiting Afghanistan to meet Osama and Mullah Omar.

Is anyone really shocked?


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posted 02 October 2006 05:48 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There have been double agents for many years - what is your point?
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posted 02 October 2006 05:53 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps that Perl was couriering something from the boys in Washington to their friends in MI6 operating in Palistan. Some of the cash was missing, and Poppy farmers were very upset, the rest is history.

Who better to set up Perl than a fellow (friendly) spook?

[ 02 October 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 02 October 2006 06:34 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not only that, but the Bushites and anti-Islam bigots went ape shit over the video and it turns out the guy behind was trained in the "civlized" behaviour of the West. Now, suddenly, they say "so what?" All the outrage disappears at the news the culprit was one of "ours". How appropriate.
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posted 02 October 2006 06:45 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right, it's not that relevent that the cold blooded murderer is alleged to have been a former british agent who switched alliegences.
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posted 02 October 2006 06:48 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is entirely relevant if you're not in denial over the primary role the west plays in fomenting and perpetuating global violence and terrorism. But as you are in such denial, I guess there is little to be said ...
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posted 02 October 2006 07:02 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If a double agent had committed atrocities for the SS in world war II, would you blame britain? I am not in denial over the west's behavior. It is you who is in reverse denial, laying the blame for *all* problems at the hands of the west. It is simply not saw.

The last words Daniel Pearl said were "I am American, I am a Jew." The last words he heard were "Allah Ackbar," they were not "God Save the Queen."


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posted 02 October 2006 07:28 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is your anti-Islam bigotry coming out. You say he was a double-agent. You won't allow your bigotry to accept that maybe he was doing exactly what he was trained to do for the British: to foment anti-Islamic hatred among the easily duped and bigotted westerners.
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posted 02 October 2006 07:31 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right, I don't believe his decision to participate in this brutality came from MI6 ordering him to assassinate an American journalist.

And you confuse revulsion with wahabbi fundamentalism with "anti-islamic bigotry." They have about as much intrinsically in common as stalin did with Marx.

[ 02 October 2006: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]


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You're right, it's not that relevent that the cold blooded murderer is alleged to have been a former british agent who switched alliegences. -500_Apples

How did you know that he "switched allegiance?"

Do you think that what Cueball wrote is far -fetched? I don't.

I may also suggest that he was mandated by his agency to do the deed.

Which version is true ? Yours, because the msm said so ?


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I think it overestimates America's power to say that Al Qaida is a subsidiary of the CIA. It's kind of like how in the 1980s the US government propaganda would sometimes argue that all terrorism around the world was coordinated by the soviets.

That perspective is simplistic and dismissive of regional histories and ideologies around the world. I think it's misguided to take the Canada-specific left-right binary and use it to analyze issues ad conflicts taking place around the world.

[ 02 October 2006: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]


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500_Apples:

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I think it overestimates America's power to say that Al Qaida is a subsidiary of the CIA

At the same time it is not an exageration to state that "al qaeda" and most of these right-wing fundamentalist groups had their start with the full support of the CIA and the US.

In fact if you follow the money and intitial support you will see the same Washington based faces funding these types of thugs repeatedly throughout the world.

I think it's an incredible fact that this terrorist was also a MI6 agent.

The fact that this is being conveniently ignored by our MSM unfortunately does not surprise me.


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posted 02 October 2006 10:52 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:
It is entirely relevant if you're not in denial over the primary role the west plays in fomenting and perpetuating global violence and terrorism. But as you are in such denial, I guess there is little to be said ...

Yes, think of Hamas.


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quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
I think it overestimates America's power to say that Al Qaida is a subsidiary of the CIA. It's kind of like how in the 1980s the US government propaganda would sometimes argue that all terrorism around the world was coordinated by the soviets.

That perspective is simplistic and dismissive of regional histories and ideologies around the world. I think it's misguided to take the Canada-specific left-right binary and use it to analyze issues ad conflicts taking place around the world.

[ 02 October 2006: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]



Sure, and I agree, yet this new twist makes me think that Perl was not 100% journalist, something I had dismissed before. Perl bravely facing the Camera and saying, "I am an American, and I am a Jew," does not preclude the possibility -- lots of spies are brave people who believe in what they are doing, they are not all snivelling sneaky cowards, though the trade would seem to attract that type.

The question remains: how was he lured in to the trap? About all we know about that is that he was researching a story, and went voluntarily. There was no gangland style kidnapping on the streets or anything even remotely like that.

It is a curious case.

Possibilities include the idea that Omar Sheikh was still working for MI6, and way in over his head, and in trouble himself, so he was unable to do anything to help Perl that would not get them both killed.

Grissly stuff really.

[ 02 October 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 03 October 2006 12:21 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They'd sell their mothers. I would make it a rule to believe nothing that Musharraf has ever said, because he's a pawn himself. What's one spook in the overall plan to replace the Soviets with enemy of evil empire status ?. KGB and MI5 bosses sometimes met to betray their own field agents in reaching for the brass ring. There's always a "Joubert" to do the dirty work. Treacherous bastards.

Joubert: I don't interest myself in "why". I think more often in terms of "when", sometimes "where"; always "how much".


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posted 03 October 2006 05:04 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I think it's misguided to take the Canada-specific left-right binary and use it to analyze issues ad conflicts taking place around the world.

No, but the Israeli diochtomy of Arab = Islam = Terrorist is fine. Look up hypocrite in the dictionary and then find a mirror. Look, understand this, he was trained by British Intelligence, He was one of ours. That brutality was ingrained by our side. We know that. Whether he became a double-agent is pure speculation aimed at easing your own conscience now that your world view of black hats and white hats is threatened.

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Possibilities include the idea that Omar Sheikh was still working for MI6, and way in over his head, and in trouble himself, so he was unable to do anything to help Perl that would not get them both killed.

I'd thought that too; that maybe Sheikh had to kill Perl or blow his cover. But the fact that he didn't just encounter Perl in the marketplace but lured him to that location suggests it was deliberate.

We can't know whether or not Sheikh had gone rogue, so for me the default reaction to his being uncovered an M16 agent is astonishment.


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posted 03 October 2006 06:34 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why astonishment? Iraq? Abu Gharib? Guantanamo Bay?
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Not astonishment at the crime itself or that its perpetrator may have been playing both sides against the middle. But if Sheikh is a covert agent, well, chopping a prominent kidnappee's head off in front of a camera isn't a very covert thing to do.
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posted 03 October 2006 10:12 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unless you thought important to demonstrate to your empoyers that you're on the job.
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This isn't the first time British Agents got caught doing shady business. Remember how a few months back, there was that fiasco with Russia? I think that if that was any indication as to how good their agents are, then maybe he was in over his head on something?
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And didn't the RCMP just admit to allowing a Canadian to be deported to Syria for torture while not only remaining silent about his innocence but feeding false information about him to the USians?
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I think it overestimates America's power to say that Al Qaida is a subsidiary of the CIA.

I think it overestimates Pepsi's power to say their customers are enthralled (though 100's of millions choose to keep buying Pepsi).


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