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audra trower williams
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posted 06 October 2002 09:35 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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"I do think that women can make politics irrelevant by a kind of spontaneous co-operative action, the likes of which we have never seen. That is just so far from peoples ideas of state structure and viable social structure that it seems to them like total anarchy. When what it really is, is very subtle forms of inter-relation, which do not follow hierarchical patterns which are fundamentally patriarchal. The opposite of matriarchy is not partriarchy but fraternity. And I think it is women who are going to have to break this vial of power and find the trick to co-operation." - Germaine Greer

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Germaine Greer


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lagatta
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posted 06 October 2002 10:13 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, I guess I'm an old red. Greer's analysis really evacuates the very real class conflicts in society (including race and gender conflicts etc - those between haves and have-nots to grossly oversimplify). Her sound-bite sounds a bit too much like "why can't we all get along?"

I agree that actions by women have been in the forefront of contemporary social struggles, by helping these break out of a macho pattern.


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adlib
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posted 10 October 2002 03:42 AM      Profile for adlib     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That does sound to me like anarchy. Anarchy means no hierarchy. Of course, the opposite to any oppression is anti-oppression- egalitarianism.

However, I don't agree that "women will find the trick of cooperation" just because we want to. Women and others have been fighting patriarchy since it has existed. The fact that patriarchy still exists is not because of a lack of effort on the part of the resistance. When will we stop accepting the lie that sexism is a problem of anyone's actions or inactions save sexist men's?


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kropotkin1951
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posted 10 October 2002 06:55 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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When will we stop accepting the lie that sexism is a problem of anyone's actions or inactions save sexist men's?

Do you truly believe that there are no sexist women? Women who buy the beauty myth totally and shop till they drop are part of the problem not the solution. They are every bit as culpable as a man who buys the same myth. The pity for the woman is that she can't see that the illusion will not give her true power only fighting the illusion will. It is not someone's gender but their world view and actions that makes them sexist.

Socialization into our patriarchy happens to both genders. In high school young boys see most of the young women going ga ga over the macho asshole standing at the head of the group beating his chest. That macho asshole is to blame undoubtedly but what of the young women who are just as sucked in by patriarchy. Does their gender alone make them blameless for perpetuating a system that in the long run is detrimental to their own interests. If a country is occupied are the collaberators also not culpable. The minority of young men who don't accept the patriarchcal view of the world are left with ridicule from both the macho guys and the high school prom queen types must they also be blamed by the women that they agree with and would like to work with for social change.

Maybe if peoples actions and views were the focus instead of just their gender we would all be able to cooperate at working towards ending the present capitalist patriarchy.


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