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Trisha
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posted 25 May 2003 01:58 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://dawn.thot.net/social_assistance_rates.html

DAWN Ontario has posted the comparison of social assistance income for 2002 prepared by the Canadian Council on Social Development. In Ontario, a single parent with one child received $10,210, about $850 a month. B.C. was basically the same. Seven provinces were lower. The rate for a single employable person was $6,240 or $520 a month.

When these amounts are compared with prices in the areas covered, it explains why so many people are concerned about the trend.


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skdadl
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posted 25 May 2003 02:14 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I could not live in this city on $520 a month. I wouldn't know how to begin. Well: if I could dispense with both clothing and shelter, then I guess that would cover food. And I guess that's what people are doing.
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lagatta
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posted 25 May 2003 02:22 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even in Montréal, where rents are still considerably lower than Toronto or Ottawa, though they have shot up a lot from the low rates of yore, it would be impossible. Don't forget hydro, phone etc.

These should be publicised widely every time the crap about lazy people who'd rather be on welfare comes up.


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Trisha
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posted 25 May 2003 09:28 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quebec is $8,712 for a single parent with one child, that's $726 monthly, $6,444 for single employable, that's $537. When you take off the rent and the small amount allowed for utilities, the rest has to cover everything else. You are supposed to be able to provide what you need to get a job out of the "what's left" part. Is it any wonder people can't get past the applying stage for jobs? You can't look like a potential employee or travel around town much on these incomes.
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Kindred
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posted 26 May 2003 03:08 PM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
News alerts
Ontario Campaign 2000 - Toronto, 25 Mar 03

Ontario’s poor children getting poorer, study finds

There are more poor children than there were a decade ago and they are deeper in poverty, says a report released today by Campaign 2000. Ontario is home to 390,000 poor children, a 41% increase over the last decade. Forty percent live in families existing on incomes more than $10,000 below the poverty line. “Ontario’s strong economy led to reduced welfare caseloads but welfare numbers only tell half the story,” says Pedro Barata”, author of Child Poverty Persists, Time to Invest in Children and Families. “One in four poor children live in a family with full time, full year earnings. Their situation can be attributed to government policy that scrapped social supports for families with children. The economy just wasn’t strong enough to fill the void.”

Low-income husband-wife families saw their income decline by nearly $900 since 1996 putting them $10,500 below Statistics Canada Low Income Cut-off line. Lone mothers would need, on average, $8,600 to reach the poverty line. A main culprit is Ontario’s minimum wage; at $6.85 it ranks fourth in the country. It would need to double to take an average family out of poverty. The report also points to the removal of rent controls, cuts to subsidized child care and welfare and the lack of transitional health supports for families leaving social assistance.


What is interesting is the difference that exists between these figures that our Govt deems acceptable and for those Immigration requires from foreign students wanting to study in Canada

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According to Citizenship and Immigration
To receive your student authorization to study in Canada you must prove to the Canadian authorities that you can meet their estimates for living expenses. Exclusive of tuition, and other student fees, each student should show proof of the following in bank statements, registered funds or other sources: $10 000 for twelve months, an additional $4000 for a spouse and $3000 for each dependent (child). These costs include food, accomodation, transportation, medical insurance, books, clothing and sundries. How they have arrived at these figures and whether the differential of location has been considered is not clear, but be certain these figures are an absolute minimum. The figures supplied by each institution will be more accurate guidelines and will be considered instead of this index when available.
And then there's Quebec
As Quebec requires separate authorization for students applying to study in that province, it too has different (and lower) numbers associated with living costs. Again, these are the amounts that you will have to show proof of $9 600 for single students. $12 960 for two people (spouse or other dependent), $16 000 for three and $2240 for each additional dependent.

These are guaranteed financial support requirements for students entering Canada, and although they are IMO optomistic at best it is interesting to note they are higher than Social assistance payments. These amounts are calculated to reflect basic shelter and food, over and above the cost of education. Also assumed is that because these are not permanent residents in Canada expenditure for clothing and other items will be minimal over the 12 months residency in Canada.

FYI Here is a site that shows the Average household expenditures, provinces and territories Stats Canada
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/famil16c.htm

The Acceptable Living Level Report prepared by The Social Planning Council of Winnipeg in March 2001 found that a single mother with two children, one aged 6 and one aged 15 would need an income of $27,374.00 in order to achieve a "standard of living that should be within everyone's reach". Taking into consideration that the above hypothetical family would spend $6096.00 on food in order to meet basic nutritional requirements. a mere $7800.00 on shelter costs, and I think that is rather low compared to the cost of shelter in most cities across Canada.

The cost of public transport is $1832.40.
http://www.spcw.mb.ca/reference/doc_all2000.pdf

I would love to see our fat cat politicians who are asking for a 27% raise in pay live on $10,000.00 a year. That wouldnt even cover their tax free travel allowance, or their bar bills.

What really irks me is that Campaign 2000 is focusing so much attention of the Right of Children to have access to recreational programs and activities across Canada. Its bloody lunacy for anyone to believe its smarter or better of kinder to get a hungy kid on a ball field rather than to feed him/her. They are more worried about whether kids living in poverty are in good physical shape than they are about the kids having a safe place to live, food and adequate clothing. health care and access to education.


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skdadl
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posted 26 May 2003 03:22 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Marvellous comparative stats, Kindred.
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Southside Red
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posted 26 May 2003 07:33 PM      Profile for Southside Red   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I totally agree with Kindred. In Edmonton, the cost of living is not cheap. I am in the position of having to apply for welfare. I just completed a year-long course last month, but have been unable to find work. My last students finance cheque was in March. My rent and utilities are $1000 per month for me and my 2 grandchildren, aged 12 and 15. I have not yet paid May's rent, and am in danger of eviction from a house with no insulation, windows that don't open and doors that don't lock. The vacancy rate here is about 1% in a good month, so moving is not an option. The waiting list for public housing runs about 2 1/2 years. I receive $228 per month from the Children in Need program, and $407 from the Child Tax Benefit. I will be allowed approximately $1050 on welfare, minus the above.

Kindred is right, in that it is more important that kids eat and have a safe place to live than that they play sports. However, in Alberta, the government and the non-profits are so intent on churning out good future corporate citizens that they neglect the day-to-day necessities of food and shelter. How else can you explain charities such as Sport Central, which provides free sports equipment for low-income kids, or the race by corporations to get publicity by providing computers for schools in poor neighbourhoods?

While I believe that the emphasis should be on kids, the reality is that no matter how many free hot lunches a child gets at school or at a playground over the summer - if they go home to a parent who hasn't eaten for 2 days, hasn't paid the rent, and is depressed over an inability to find work or the money to look for work - that child is going to have problems that playing hockey can't alleviate.


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Trisha
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posted 26 May 2003 07:55 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All branches of the government neglect to make the connection between child poverty and poverty of their parents. It makes no sense to me that it's okay to drop welfare support to a mother and expect to be praised because they still allow some for the children. This is one of the things that is being done in the provincial "witch hunt" that killed a few women already.

You certainly will have a hard time making ends meet on Welfare, especially with two teenagers and it won't be long before the older one is not considered qualified as a dependent anymore. Parents are expected to put their children out to fend for themselves at age 18, whether they have jobs or a place to go or not. The only hope is to keep the children in school so they continue to qualify, but how do they get the marks needed when hunger keeps them from concentrating and learning? This whole idea of "deserving" and "undeserving" poor adds an additional problem. If you aren't able to prove actively looking for work, you can be cut back or cut off. It's impossible to keep filling out the requirement forms to prove job searches in a small town or even in many of the larger ones. Welfare expects you to be out actively searching in spite of lack of funds for transportation, not being able to meet the dress codes for most jobs, etc. Services such as typing and copying of resumes has been cut so how do you get these done?

I recently was told by one young woman that she called a place about an interview when the dates for calls had passed and was told that the boss decided not to interview her because she had "harassed" him by constantly coming in and putting in resumes when no jobs were available. She told her worker and was accused of lying. Don't the powers that be realize that this kind of thing is going to happen? When you get upwards of 200 applications for one position, you can pick and chose and it won't be someone who hasn't been seen as nicely dressed or has been submitting too many resumes or inquiries.


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Kindred
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posted 26 May 2003 09:30 PM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am thinking the reason behind BC dropping the working age to 12 or whatever is so that welfare can use that as the age to say kids are no longer eligible for assistance. Sometimes I get so angry -

Went and picked up 2 of the supplements I take to maintain my health. Fibromyalgia can compromise your immune system as well. And it cost me $72.00. And thats just 2 of them. I take about 8 different thingsa day. No one factors those into the income required for disabled people, or poor people, I dont see vitamins etc on the list of neccessities. I spend about $150.00 a month out of my own pocket for supplements.

Disabled people have the added expense of having to hire someone to shovel the snow, mow the lawn, do odd jobs around the house that an able bodied person could do. Most cant use public transit and have to rely on either their own vehicle or taxis.

Someone said being poor is expensive? Case lot sales come around and if the poor could afford to put out a couple of hundred dollars they would be paying 50 cents for a can of soup instead of $1.19 a can, but they cant do it. So they pay more for food and everything else.

The whole system stinks. Hockey my ass, kids who are malnourished cant put their all into sports or hope to be the next super star.


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Kindred
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posted 26 May 2003 10:11 PM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This will make you sick, what CEOs are paid in Canada
http://222youth.com/salaries.htm

quote:
Ontario Power Generation
CEO and Director - Ronald W. Osborne
He has a $775,000 salary, a $975,000 annual bonus, and $99,008 in car allowances and benefits.
BC Hydro


CEO Michael Costello - CEO made $466,057 in salary and bonuses in 2001. This is a raise of $86,000 from the previous year. In 1996/97, his first year as head of BC Hydro, Costello earned $127,000.
More than 500 employees at BC Hydro earned $100,000 or more last year. Seven other BC Hydro board members earned more than $200,000 in 2000/01 and bonuses ranged from $45,000 to $92,000


http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/hydroone_salaries.html

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peacepipe
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posted 30 May 2003 10:29 AM      Profile for peacepipe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And in America, thanks to the the "Citizenship Redefinition and Income-Based Relocation Act of 2003" passed on monday, homeless people and those on welfare will soon be being shipped into Concentration camps in the Dakotas.
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Doug
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posted 30 May 2003 12:25 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's from The Onion, silly - and if you sent all the working poor to North Dakota, where would all the maids and nannies come from?
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peacepipe
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posted 30 May 2003 01:09 PM      Profile for peacepipe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
why, from Mexico and
cenral
america where they have come from for the last twenty years

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