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peterjcassidy
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posted 28 October 2008 11:37 PM      Profile for peterjcassidy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My guy at work:

TheStar.com | Ontario | Cuts to temporary child care funding 'disgusting': NDP


Oct 16, 2008 04:28 PM
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Keith Leslie
THE CANADIAN PRESS

TORONTO–The Ontario government's move to cut off funding for grandparents with temporary custody of their grandchildren was done out of spite, the New Democrats charged today, while likening Social Services Minister Madeleine Meilleur as a modern day Marie Antoinette.

Hamilton New Democrat Paul Miller first raised the issue of grandparents in Hamilton and Ottawa being cut off from the $200 to $300 in temporary care assistance funding they received each month to help raise their grandchildren.

Meilleur agreed the rules for the funding were not being applied consistently across Ontario, but Miller said the Liberals' fix will only make things worse for grandparents.

"She fixed it, all right," Miller said.

"She changed the wording and now all the grandparents are in a position to be cut off throughout the province."

Meilleur said the rules were changed to be more consistent, and she suggested that grandparents who are raising their children's children can always go on welfare if they need extra financial help.

"Grandparents have the same rights as every other person in Ontario who is in financial difficulty," Meilleur said.

"They can apply for and receive ... welfare."

Miller said that kind of response from Meilleur sounded like something from the French Revolution.

"Her response reminds me of Marie Antoinette's statement:`Let them eat cake,"' he told the legislature.

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janfromthebruce
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posted 29 October 2008 01:11 PM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh Peter, that was disgusting. For a lot of these grandparents who are pensioners, would they even qualify for welfare?
So much for the talk of wanting to fight poverty.

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peterjcassidy
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posted 29 October 2008 01:50 PM      Profile for peterjcassidy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
Oh Peter, that was disgusting. For a lot of these grandparents who are pensioners, would they even qualify for welfare?
So much for the talk of wanting to fight poverty.

Yeah sis, and you know better than most the incredible role these grannies play,taking in at risk kids and giving them shelter and love.


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posted 29 October 2008 02:31 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can we have a bit more context please?

Harper sabotaged child care by delivering $100 per month for each child under 6. That was seen as regressive and deceptive. Unfortunately the NDP was too chicken to call for its abolishment (because they weren't confident they could explain taking money away from people!) and demand that the money be spent on public child care instead.

Is this grandparent thing that kind of program? If so, good riddance to it. If not, some more background please.


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posted 29 October 2008 02:38 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More buck passing by our 22 percent tin pots in Toronto.
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posted 29 October 2008 04:56 PM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Can we have a bit more context please?

Harper sabotaged child care by delivering $100 per month for each child under 6. That was seen as regressive and deceptive. Unfortunately the NDP was too chicken to call for its abolishment (because they weren't confident they could explain taking money away from people!) and demand that the money be spent on public child care instead.

Is this grandparent thing that kind of program? If so, good riddance to it. If not, some more background please.


You know Unionist, you asked a question but without waiting for answer, you took a cheap shot at the federal NDP.
That said, this has nothing to do with federal but a provincial Ontario program that was squashed by the Liberals (provincial) - hence, the reference that they could collect welfare (provincial responsibility).

Just to let you know, when a national childcare strategy was being devised, I wasn't sure that a "daycare centre" would be in my best interests as a "rural mom." Most centres occur in bigger centres and it wouldn't have been convenient for me and my 3 children. Having the OPTION to have my children placed in a good home daycare was a better option for my family.


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posted 29 October 2008 05:02 PM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For those interested in a Ontario provincial matter this is the link to the story in Torstar.
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posted 29 October 2008 05:08 PM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Peter do you have a link to the documentary? If you could provide that it would help facilitate more of a discussion on this board.

Also, is there a webpage for this group? Again a link would be helpful.

Finally, I can add that I did have a conversation with some of these grandparents last year. They were erroneous sent to the CAS for consideration in a program of families who become legal guardians of grandchildren. The problem was that these grandparents who are already legal guardians did not qualify as these children are not at risk now, thus there was no avenue for the CAS to become involved.


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posted 29 October 2008 05:46 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is all part of a Liberal cost cutting strategy. They intend not to announce program cuts, but weasel the qualifications for various programs so no one qualifies.

It's fine to go after them on this issue by issue, but it's time an NDP MPP blew the whistle on the whole smarmy strategy.

If not, McGinty will go into the next election claiming he maintained programs, and held the line on deficits.


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Fidel
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posted 29 October 2008 05:50 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Smarmy strategy!
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peterjcassidy
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posted 29 October 2008 07:20 PM      Profile for peterjcassidy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/w-five/parents-again/#clip32445


is the W5 clip.

http://www.cangrands.com/
is the national organization webpae

http://www.thespec.com/Opinions/article/456682

is a Hamilton Spectator opinion piece- note the reference to Paul being kicked out of the legislature.

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