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Cueball
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posted 16 March 2004 05:12 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Financial Times

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Although they are being conducted some distance from Taiwan, the exercises will take place just days before sensitive presidential elections on the island, over which China claims sovereignty.



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posted 16 March 2004 05:57 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
france is late to the party. pakistan (oct 2003) and india (nov 2003) did this last year.
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posted 16 March 2004 06:01 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wasn't aware of that, but France has signifcantly different politcal position in the world, a European nation that is traditionally allied with US interests world-wide.

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posted 16 March 2004 06:43 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
rather than naval exercises, i think that something to watch would be the EU's position on weapons exports to china.

cnn, mar 5 2004

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A visit by the U.S. Pacific fleet flagship to Shanghai last month was reciprocated with rare tours of one of China's most sophisticated missile frigates.

China has tried to jump-start relations with the U.S. military that were largely frozen after the April 2001 collision between an American spy plane and a Chinese fighter jet. Recent visits included a trip to Beijing by the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Despite the occasional tough talk on Taiwan, the military has been restrained over the issue -- a far cry from eight years ago, when the PLA staged war games and fired missiles into the Taiwan Strait in an attempt to intimidate voters. Nor are tensions with Taiwan likely to affect long-term planning goals, observers say.

"They might accelerate some programs due to Taiwan, but the PLA is really keeping to a long-term schedule for rise to power," said Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor for Jane's Defense Weekly.

Meanwhile, the military continues efforts to shed fat and add muscle with plans to cut hundreds of thousands of troops over coming years. China is also hoping to convince the European Union to lift a 15-year-old ban on weapons sales -- over the objection of the United States.



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posted 16 March 2004 06:50 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Naval exercises are training exercises. One would assume that the French are assessing capability and needs, for future sales. They also have political overtones of course, but also direct purposes.
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posted 16 March 2004 11:50 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I saw this thread title, I thought that they were going off together to get their belly-buttons pierced.
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Cueball
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posted 16 March 2004 04:29 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That too, sailors being what they are.
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posted 26 March 2004 05:38 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
eu tackles china arms ban ...
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posted 26 March 2004 06:26 AM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If the EU truly stood for the progressive values that it espoused, any money and resources going into Eastern Asia will be (secretly) funnelled into the Democratic Progressive Party and the Taiwan Solidarity Union.
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posted 26 March 2004 07:10 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
interestingly, before jean gave slush funds a bad name, secret payments were set up during helmut schmidt's time as german chancellor to support post-franco spanish and portuguese democracy.
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posted 26 March 2004 07:26 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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If the EU truly stood for the progressive values that it espoused, any money and resources going into Eastern Asia will be (secretly) funnelled into the Democratic Progressive Party and the Taiwan Solidarity Union.

Lord! you know all the ins and outs of these organizations enough to pick them as future rulers of China? I mean I don't even know if I'll vote, let alone vote for the NDP. How is it that you seem able to just pick a group and say those guys would be good... for China?

It seems to me that a lot of China's problems directly come from foreigners deciding what would be good for China.


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