The dark brown areas are the ever-shrinking enclaves where Palestinians live.

[ 06 November 2006: Message edited by: Legless-Marine ]

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Originally posted by Klaus Extruder:
Palestinians are Arabs, and Arabs from the Maghreb to the Mashreq invoke their cause when refusing to recognize Israel.

I didn't realize my grandparents were Israelis, when Moroccan Arabs made it impossible for them to remain in Morocco after Israeli independence. Actually, they still aren't Israeli - they emigrated to Montreal.

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So you are caliming that all Arabs are collectively responsible for the actions of all other Arabs, ergo, Arab governments have the right to apply the same principle of collective responsibility to Jews, and expell them from Arab countries because of what Ben Gurion did in 1948.

Fine, we agree, individual human rights are not abrogated by the acts of other people, simply because they share a religion or culture or ethnicity.

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Originally posted by Klaus Extruder:
No. I'm saying that Arabs across the world held Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israelis, in chasing us out of countries in which we'd lived for centuries. It's strange how Israeli heavyhandedness is a crime against humanity for some people, who on the other hand overlook the much more widespread expulsions and pogroms and other forms of collective punishment Arabs meted out to Jews first.

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What a crock! So many of us blindly, completly and openly supported Israel and the Jewish people with NO question of their actions for decades simply because of the evils done to them. At SOME point we're allowed to start questioning that complete support in the face of overwhelming evidence of abuses against another peoples without being called anti-semites, jew-haters, or whatever else.