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Frustrated Mess
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posted 01 November 2006 06:38 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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"Peterson objected to the interrogation techniques used on prisoners. She refused to participate after only two nights working in the unit known as the cage. Army spokespersons for her unit have refused to describe the interrogation techniques Alyssa objected to. They say all records of those techniques have now been destroyed...."

Female soldier commits suicide

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Fidel
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posted 01 November 2006 06:51 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They've got to find more enthusiasm for that war among the sons and daughters of chickenhawks.
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M. Spector
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posted 08 December 2006 02:06 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The latest issue of NOW has an excerpt from a new book What Was Asked Of Us: An Oral History Of The Iraq War By The Soldiers Who Fought It, by Trish Wood. Here's part of it that really grabbed my attention. The speaker is a medic in the Marines:
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I had to open fire on [a] bus to protect the people that we were taking care of, you know, the civilian people in the ambulance. I shot into it. There were civilians in there, and everybody in the whole bus was killed. I don't know if physically any of my rounds hit anybody, but I shot into it and that bothered me.

I went and I spoke with the chaplain about that. He just told me that God knew what we were there for. He knew we were there to do the right thing. I knew I had to protect the guys around me, my brothers that were with me.

I kind of put it behind me, but every once in a while I'll think about what happened. You know, was it me that killed anybody on that bus? Everyone was dead, so I didn't.... There was no need for me to go on there.

I'll never forget that.


Medics firing on civilians? Is this how the US protects its medics from being targets for “enemy” fire?

The chaplain obviously has less of a conscience than the troubled men he purports to counsel. “He just told me that God knew what we were there for. He knew we were there to do the right thing.” Yet another example of how religion encourages people to do evil.


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Noise
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posted 08 December 2006 02:24 PM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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He just told me that God knew what we were there for. He knew we were there to do the right thing.

It's important to remind the crusaders they are doing Gods work from time to time.


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Lavite
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posted 14 December 2006 11:54 AM      Profile for Lavite        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is from a U.S. Army Course on the Geneva Convention of 1949 and Hague Convention NO.IV of 1947 dated 1987.

"No method of torture, mental or physical, may be used to obtain even this information (full name, rank, date of birth, and service number), and certainly may not be used to obtain any additional information"

And another paragraph on treating civilians:

"All persons are to be treated humanely and without and adverse distinction based on race, religion, or political opinion."

"These persons may not be subjected to murder, torture, corporal punishment, mutilation, or any form of physical or mental coercion."


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posted 14 December 2006 12:02 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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ALBERTO GONZALES wrote, in a memorandum to President George W. Bush dated January 25, 2002, that the war against terrorism is a "new paradigm" that "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

GONZALES wrote that the Third Geneva Convention should not apply to members of the Taliban and Al Qaeda who were captured after the United States invaded Afghanistan in October 2001. Defendant GONZALES also advised President Bush in that memorandum that he could avoid allegations of war crimes under The War Crimes Act by simply declaring that the Geneva Convention does not apply to members of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

GONZALES wrote that a determination of the inapplicability of the Third Geneva Convention would insulate against prosecution by future "prosecutors and independent counsels


In apparent reliance on the advice in GONZALES' memorandum, and notwithstanding the requirement of Article 5 of the Third Geneva Convention that a "competent tribunal" determine the status of prisoners, President George W. Bush issued an order on February 7, 2002, specifying that the United States would not apply the Third Geneva Convention to members of Al Qaeda, and that as commander-in-chief of the United States, he had the power to suspend the Geneva Conventions regarding the conflict in Afghanistan, although he declined to suspend them at that time.

ALBERTO GONZALES commissioned the Office of Legal Counsel of the Department of Justice's memorandum dated August 1, 2002, which required that, in order to constitute "torture," the pain caused by an interrogation must include "injury such as death, organ failure, or serious impairment of body functions." This definition is contrary to The War Crimes Act and the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Unusual or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, a treaty ratified by the United States.

To repeat:


GONZALES wrote that a determination of the inapplicability of the Third Geneva Convention would INSULATE AGAINST PROSECUTION future "prosecutors and independent counsels."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011905A.shtml

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Lavite
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posted 14 December 2006 12:09 PM      Profile for Lavite        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True, Gonzales produced the document that President Bush and Co. wanted so as to give them the illusion of lawfulness to criminal acts.

This is contrary to the recommendations of the top Judge Advocate Generals of all the U.S. armed services who came to the exact opposite conclusion. They were ignored.


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posted 14 December 2006 01:19 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with you completely. The highest authorities in the United States have disregarded the Geneva Conventions.

They have ignored anyone who points out how wrong they are.


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posted 15 December 2006 06:34 AM      Profile for Lavite        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And as the command climate trickles down hill, you get criminal activity as what occured at Abu Ghraib Prison. Oh, they moderately punished a few low rank enlisted soldiers. Not a single officer, although they did relieve the General in charge of the facility.

She claims total ignorance, as all her officers apparently. Rather unusual she didn't know what was happening under her nose. doesn't pass the logic test.

You can't take a position of moral superiority over your opponents if you also engage in torture and murder.

An excellent book on this is "Moral Obligation and the Military, collected essays" published by the National Defense University.


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