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Tiff
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posted 13 September 2006 10:05 PM      Profile for Tiff     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The group said Hezbollah deliberately targeted civilians with rockets in the 34-day war - a "serious violation of international humanitarian law".

An earlier Amnesty report accused Israel of committing war crimes by deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure in Lebanon.


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Amnesty said Israel's violations could in no way justify Hezbollah's actions.

This is what I have been saying all along...


Hezbollah accused of war crimes

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Cueball
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posted 13 September 2006 10:21 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Israel staitioned logistics, command posts, in Haifa, and even artillery positions around Arab towns in Northern Israel.
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a lonely worker
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posted 13 September 2006 10:26 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So Tiff are you saying that Hezbollah and Israel should both be charged with war crimes?

Or are you saying that Israel's crimes are lesser than Hezbollah's?

I don't get the intent of your post.


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Tiff
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posted 13 September 2006 10:53 PM      Profile for Tiff     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There are many ways in which people perceived how things happened or who is apparently at fault and for that matter to what extent. It always seemed that Isreal was the one the world vilified because of their war machine targeting civilian districts.

Should they both be held accountable? Yes. I believed and still believe there are degrees in which this has to be treated. Isreal didn't target civilians, yet they kill the most civilians. Unfortunately I have no idea how to deal with what Isreal did end up doing by killing so many civilians, but that shouldn't be the charges brought against them.


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a lonely worker
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posted 13 September 2006 11:31 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So what should be the charges brought against Israel?
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venus_man
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posted 14 September 2006 07:18 AM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post
I am glad to hear finally that such organization as Amnesty dared to acknowledge Hiz-h’s war crimes. Everyone is so caught up in blaming Israel and accusing it in all crimes that poor, “innocent”, idea fighters of Hiz-h got neglected. However they are caused most of damage and ignited the war in a first pace that was even confirmed by their leadership. Then they would use civilians as bomb shelters. And then, without any notice to civilians (unlike Israel that would tell people to leave before bombing), would drop over 4000 rockets on Israel towns. The Hiz-h war crimes therefore are great in number and it is good that someone had guts to accuse them in that. The crimes include those against the population of Lebanon where many were fooled to believe in Hiz-h good intentions.

That is not to deny Israel’s crimes, but they were exposed and talked about so much, so far.


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N.Beltov
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posted 14 September 2006 07:53 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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venus_man: I am glad to hear finally that such organization as Amnesty dared to acknowledge Hiz-h’s war crimes.

AI "dared" to point out the Israeli war crimes of "indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks and the intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure" - which is something that AI has NOT accused Hezbollah of.

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The UN children's fund, UNICEF, estimates that some 1,183 people died in Lebanon, mostly civilians and about a third of them children.

It's pretty clear that Hezbollah did a much better job of focussing their lethal attacks on military targets. Israel, and its apologists, were not able to substantiate the claim that Hezbollah was using civilians as human shields but there is plenty of evidence, for those willing to look, that Israel did just that, including using Arab-Israeli neighbourhoods as bases of operations.

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venusian: Everyone is so caught up in blaming Israel and accusing it in all crimes that poor, “innocent”, idea fighters of Hiz-h got neglected. However they are caused most of damage ...

Bullshit. See the numbers below - I'm just using the numbers of those killed. It's patently obvious that Israel caused billions of dollars of damage to Lebanon's infrastructure. Apples and oranges.


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venusian: Then they (Hezbollah) would use civilians as bomb shelters.

More bullshit. What is true, and AI confirmed this, is that Israel deliberately targetted the civilian infrastructure in Lebanon, just as Israel destroyed the power/water supply in Gaza, etc., etc., etc., ....

AI - Aug 23/06 - Israeli atrocities

AI on Hezbollah atrocities

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During the conflict, 159 Israelis died, including 116 soldiers and 43 civilians.

Thats about ... what? 20 to 1? 20 Lebanese civilians killed for every Israeli civilian?


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Michelle
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posted 14 September 2006 07:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh, for frig sakes. What is this, cryptic title day? Your title doesn't give the reader any indication whatsoever what the thread is about. On top of that, there are already a million and a half threads about Israel-Lebanon where you could have posted this, including one specifically about Amnesty International's reaction.

Closing this because it's a duplicate and because its title is completely non-descriptive.


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