First off, NATO not only denies any side effects of depleted Uranium but they have ongoing studies just to be sure.

Second, women's rights in Iraq are just as curtailed as Men's rights in iraq. in other words they have non that do not coincide witht eh purposes of the state.

Then she makes the erroneus conclusion that the US cares not one whit for the Iraqis for as she argues, if they cared thenthe US surely would have done something in the 80's or atleast in the '91 war. Well I hate to tell her but people's minds change, circumstances change, and this time a Regime will change.

The sheer ridiculous nature of her speech makes me wonder if IWD was just a way for women to show support for a man who uses rape to coerce confessions from prisoners.

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The sheer ridiculous nature of her speech makes me wonder if IWD was just a way for women to show support for a man who uses rape to coerce confessions from prisoners.

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Well Rundler, it is nice to see how idiots respond to reality.

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One could say the same about ideologues.

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First off, NATO not only denies any side effects of depleted Uranium but they have ongoing studies just to be sure.

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Right. Could that be because the US and the UK are the two countries who refuse to stop using depleted uranium?

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Second, women's rights in Iraq are just as curtailed as Men's rights in iraq. in other words they have non that do not coincide witht eh purposes of the state.

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So because men's rights are curtailed, the women should just sit down and shut up?

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Then she makes the erroneus conclusion that the US cares not one whit for the Iraqis for as she argues, if they cared thenthe US surely would have done something in the 80's or atleast in the '91 war. Well I hate to tell her but people's minds change, circumstances change, and this time a Regime will change.

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Want something more recent? Based on evidence recently posted on this board, the US has been the biggest block in getting the Oil for Food program to work properly. The US and the UK are the two countries who have resisted having the sanctions lifted because of the collateral damage the current sanction regime has caused.

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The sheer ridiculous nature of her speech makes me wonder if IWD was just a way for women to show support for a man who uses rape to coerce confessions from prisoners.

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Troll.

Edited to add: oops. I didn't realize this was in the feminism forum. Sorry, I won't make a habit of it.

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I find such a remark callous, intentionally inflammatory and offensive.

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No, indeed. In fact, the ONLY "issues" examined were those that offered opportunities to tap on the heads of Westerners and Americans in particular. It all came off sounding like a hate-America festival.

Rabble's choice of Mina's discourse as reading material was disingeneous. Mina knows full well that the probleme of Iraqi women goes far beyond George Bush. Mina knows full well about honor killings beatings, force marriages and many other abuses, but strangely the only injustice she sees is that of a white male, a white Western capitalist Christian male. It may surprise some Rabble readers, but Mina though her selective choice of "issues" has done a great deal of harm to the women of Iraq, and to a larger extent, the women of the whole Islamic world.

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...in my opinion the worst, and by far, oppression of women takes place in the Islamic world...

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You know what the funny thing is about sanctions? That they will be lifted once Saddam is ousted. So regime change = no more sanctions = better quality of life for the Iraqi people.

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It seems that certain "women's rights" movements are more concerned with politics that with women's rights...

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Here is a link to a web-site with some interesting articles on the subject.

Since Ive been the prime target of name calling amongst some people here on this site as a response to my speech, I would like to make a few things clear.

Dave Boaz...
Dont talk to me about the U.S's mind's changing, that is essentially the problem here you see, the lives of 21 million people in iraq is in the control of a selected few in the whitehouse, that is the problem Boaz.

Saddam Hussein was never elected by Iraqis, he was a CIA agent that the U.S liked and consequently he came into power with their help. In my speech I bring up the importance of 1991, because Bush publicly encourages the iraqi uprising, and then crushes them when they rise to topple Saddam. Just revealing the lies and the deciet Dave - if u dont mind that is.

NATO officials can go take a little trip down to southern Iraq and visit the hospitals and talk, to the doctors for themselves if they have the nerve to deny the side effects of DU.

Bienvenue...

Indeed youre right, many women in Iraq suffer from human rights abuses because of their gender. However, How do you expect a society to deal with its gender discrimination - when people dont have simple human rights such as shelter, food or medical supplies. The issues of women in the Middle East are no different to the issues of women in the West. However, the dynamics of both situations are entirely different.

Gender issues of the Middle East are not for western women to fix, the idea that these poor oppressed women in the islamic world need a dose of western democratic medicine is the typical ethnocentric philosophy that falls behind these bush policies of REGIME change???

Unfortunately, you dont seem to understand that Gender and racial issues all evolved with the help of colonizing powers in the west and in the east.

You could be correct, that after sanctions are lifted, and after iraq is rebuilt, Iraqi's could be living a better lifestyle.

However, at what cost do we sell our souls for decent lifestyles. So after 1.5 million dead because of U.S imposed sanctions, and DU polluting our air, soil and cells, and after this war that will kill thousands and thousands and pollute the environment even more....THEN....we iraqis are allowed to eat our bread in peace. For what? because of a ludicrous dictator that is a threat to the entire world, the same ludicrous dictator that iraqis never wanted, neve wished for and never desired. It seriously all seems like a cruel joke....

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