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remind
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posted 12 February 2008 08:21 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's hope they do better than we did after ours!

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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's apology motion has been tabled in Parliament:

Today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.

We reflect on their past mistreatment.

We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were Stolen Generations – this blemished chapter in our nation’s history.

The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia’s history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.

We apologise for the laws and policies of successive Parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.

We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country.

For the pain, suffering and hurt of these Stolen Generations, their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/apology/text.htm

h/t BnR


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saga
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posted 12 February 2008 01:51 PM      Profile for saga   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjx7X35cMkA
Took the children away ...

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posted 12 February 2008 03:42 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's interesting to ponder the "we". Who is "we"?

Could he mean Parliament? It's true that until the 60s Aboriginals didn't vote; but then the current Parliament, the one that would be apologising, includes Aboriginals and people representing them.

If it's Australia the country, then Australia the country doesn't include Aboriginals, and of course the whole point of the exercise is to deny that.

Same applies to the Labour Party, more so if anything.

It's hard to avoid thinking "we" has to mean white Australians. It's even harder to decide whether there's anything wrong about a Prime Minister speaking for white Australians.

(Honestly: I'm not baiting. I think quibbling over historical accuracies here is beside the point, and the surprisingly emotional reactions of Australian colleagues here shows that.)


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posted 12 February 2008 05:06 PM      Profile for saga   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boarsbreath:
It's interesting to ponder the "we". Who is "we"?

Could he mean Parliament? It's true that until the 60s Aboriginals didn't vote; but then the current Parliament, the one that would be apologising, includes Aboriginals and people representing them.

If it's Australia the country, then Australia the country doesn't include Aboriginals, and of course the whole point of the exercise is to deny that.

Same applies to the Labour Party, more so if anything.

It's hard to avoid thinking "we" has to mean white Australians. It's even harder to decide whether there's anything wrong about a Prime Minister speaking for white Australians.

(Honestly: I'm not baiting. I think quibbling over historical accuracies here is beside the point, and the surprisingly emotional reactions of Australian colleagues here shows that.)


I would be interested in knowing more about the reactions of Australians.


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Boarsbreath
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posted 13 February 2008 02:47 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Read about it in their newspapers. I'm working at a university in the South Pacific, with a lot of Aussies, and it sure does seem a big deal. Not sure about how ordinary people react, though; will post later after meeting my non-uni buddies for drinks....
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laine lowe
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posted 13 February 2008 05:24 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What I heard of Rudd's speech was very moving and seemed genuine. I also read elsewhere that every surviving ex-PM (except for Howard) attended the event. It seems that the government of the day made sure that it was definitely a defining moment for their nation. This wasn't just a press conference or political statement... it was a historic event.

I can only dream of such a genuine apology with nation-wide support happening here in Canada. It is certainly long overdue. But judging from what happened in Ipperwash, and more recently Caledonia, I think that too many Canadians have no concept of how we have oppressed and demeaned our Aboriginal peoples.


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posted 13 February 2008 05:49 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apology hollow without follow-up

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While there is much optimism, Indigenous Australia is not assuming that the end of the Howard era is automatically the beginning of a golden era for Aboriginal people. Rudd in opposition supported, without any amendment, Howard's intervention in the Northern Territory including the aspects that repealed the Racial Discrimination Act, the abolition of the permit system and the compulsory quarantining of all welfare payments. [...]

The intervention employed a mechanism that linked school attendance with the quarantining of welfare payments. There is no evidence that the use of welfare as a stick improves school attendance. In fact, all of the research points to the fact that using welfare payments in this way can add an additional stress factor into an already dysfunctional situation. [...]

Rudd's Indigenous Affairs Minister, Jenny Macklin, has already continued the roll-out of this odious and racist policy of quarantining welfare payments, making it even harder for Rudd to dismiss the NT intervention - and its underlying ideologies - as the failed policies of Howard. And that is a sign of the challenge ahead with this new government. [...]

I am heartened to hear that he is finally going to take a step forward and make the long overdue apology to the Stolen Generations. I am, however, extremely disappointed that his Government has ruled out compensation.



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posted 13 February 2008 10:41 PM      Profile for saga   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't worry ... a few lawsuits and they will change their minds!
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posted 14 February 2008 12:49 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's already been one. Guy got $500,000 for what seems to have been an ordinary case. On that basis, and if you believe the numbers in the 90s report, the government will owe about $50 billion...!

Which was why Howard refused the 'sorry'. It has a wonderful emotional value, but I guess now it's going to be a gold rush. PM Rudd's real test will be making something more useful of the rush of good feelings....


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posted 14 February 2008 03:18 PM      Profile for saga   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know why we think people should be entitled to less just because there were a lot of people abused. In fact it should be more because it tears whole families and communities apart as well as destroying individual lives.

I wonder if Aboriginal children died in schools or in care in Australia to the extent that they did here. He uses the word "loss" but it isn't clear if that's what he means, and I have found no mention of it.

Our government has never mentioned it either, and the settlement was carefully designed NOT to raise the issue of anyone dying. However, thousands of unmarked graves of children exist nonetheless.


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posted 14 February 2008 03:21 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aborigine Receives Compensation, Plus Interest, Plus Legal Fees When everything is added in the cost is far in excess of a half a million. If they set up a proper compensation system they can at least reduce the amount paid to lawyers and judges.

Imagine sending your child to a hospital and having it stolen.


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Erik Redburn
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posted 14 February 2008 05:59 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Empty words. They could easily compensate each and every Koore even one fifth the amount, say, and if half was invested in what their communties wanted it would be far better than what's already wasted in their courts and other white bureacracies.

[ 14 February 2008: Message edited by: Erik Redburn ]


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