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(...)Young women rushed to loftily disassociate their perky post-feminist selves from a middle-aged female presidential candidate who is probably the most assured and knowledgeable woman any of them has ever seen running for high public office.(...)

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The opposition seems to feel that woman leaders offer special opportunities for abuse

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The same thing happened here in Canada when Kim Campbell was PM. Every single picture the media selected of her was aweful. The way the media portrayed her was disgusting and I believe the media is doing the same with H.Clinton. IMO there are just enough men who hate women for the rest of society to turn a blind eye to this kind of bias in the media.

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We need to see it as it is and we need to keep yelling and demanding for it to stop!

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Criticism of Clinton should stop only when and if it sexism enlisted to score political points.

I and others have many times made arguments that in Clinton's case its her politics we don't approve of.

Martin has never once acknowledged that he even sees this. The only 'answer'- such as it is- will be another link to yet another articles or commentary.

Do you really think that because sexist amd misogymist attacks are made on Clinton she should get a pass from criticism?

My criticsm of her, shared by others here, has been that she chose to be the machine candidate and presented herself as the inevitable nominee until- and even after- the Iowa primary.

It's frankly elitist to keep repeating the same point to people because you've decided they don't get it.

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Do you really think that because sexist amd misogymist attacks are made on Clinton she should get a pass from criticism?

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No, but if they are going to critize it should be based on her abilities and not her sex.

The same goes for Obama and the media's focus on his race. It again should be about his abilities.

Plenty of acknowledgemant has been made of what Clinton is up against. THEN, the point is made that, notwithstanding, her politics are just too deficient.

And the point is still made to people here that we are also dupes for the reactionary and media sexist inspired attacks. And repeated!?

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Sorry that you see these essays as repetitive - they actually make different points. The opposition seems to feel that woman leaders offer special opportunities for abuse... Do you?

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Based on your repetition of the point one would have to think that you have decided that I have.

Please illuminate.

Alternatively- and this appears to be implicit on your writing- that you feel justified in assuming that unless proven otherwise, all attacks are in fact the writer availing themselves of "special opportunities for abusing woman leaders".

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Please illuminate.

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Eight years after the beer-buddy test gave us W., the guys are going for Obama or McCain, if only to keep Hillary out of the White House.
By Edward McClelland

Salon.com Feb. 26, 2008 | The movies don't get any manlier than buddy cop flicks. They're romances for guys, portrayals of male marriage. Two men with clashing personalities -- the strait-laced family man, the trigger-happy hot shot -- team up to form a crime-fighting force
that's more powerful than their individual egos. In the search for opposites, it's amazing how many movies cast a white guy and a black guy. Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx in "Miami Vice." Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith in "Men in Black." Mel Gibson and Danny Glover in
"Lethal Weapon" I through X. (Whaaaat! No mention of our own 'Good Cop, Bad Cop'?)

John Stodder, a 52-year-old blogger from Palos Verdes Peninsula, Calif., looks at the presidential field and sees another buddy-cop pairing: John McCain and Barack Obama, supposed mavericks who break their parties' rules, bound together by a common mission -- keeping Hillary Clinton out of the White House.

"I wish they could run together," Stodder swoons. "They'd be like one of those old 1970s cop shows. The crusty old seen-it-all guy who goes by his gut, partnered with the brilliant rookie who's got courage to match his brains. (...)

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If it's Obama vs. McCain, there wouldn't be bickering. I can't vote for Hillary Clinton knowing full well that my country's time and money will be spent demonizing her."

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And it's pretty improbable to think of that or anything like it as a motivation among babblers.

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But allow me to tweak your brain cells with this new offering

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His brain cells don't require tweaking Martin with more of the same sort of material he's questioning you about. We know full well the basis of the media attacks against her. I would hope, and I actually believe, that any criticism of her campaign, platform, and past voting record here among babblers involve more substantive reasons, just as any criticism of Obama's record and campaign would.

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The opposition seems to feel that woman leaders offer special opportunities for abuse... Do you?

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Isn't it important to gauge, for instance, how many Dems would go Repug and why,

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I've never seen any evidence that you care about the first part. When it is alleged that Obama would get more Repub and swing votes, you have never countered that. It is clear that you care about the 'why' part, but only in so far as it would support your argument that they would turn away from Dems if Clinton is nominated.

On the face of what you say Martin it is difficult to see you as anything but disingenuous when you [finally] respond to questions such as this.