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lagatta
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posted 18 July 2005 01:11 PM
What are you studying, Meow? At the CSN, union counsellors were about in equal numbers professionals hired for specific skills (lawyers, economists, health-and-safety specialists etc.) but with a background and concern for social issues, and militants who came out of local unions and often labour struggles. If you are studying in any of the relevant professions you should see about working as a trainee/intern with a union, whether in your town, in Toronto or with the CLC in Ottawa. Working for a union is exhilirating when you succeed in organising people or negotiating alongside them and really making an improvement in their living standards and in their being treated with dignity. It can also be exasperating on at least two levels. You may find yourself working far longer hours than the people you are working to help, under a lot of stress, taking on other people's problems. Moreover the bureaucracy in many large organisations - not just unions - often seems at cross-purposes to their mission. That said, it is certainly a socially-useful job and one people are proud to do. I have worked on contract for the CSN (I translate a lot of stuff for unions here, but freelance now) but I believe vicky in Ottawa is currently working for the CLC or an affiliate. I know some babblers are.
From: Se non ora, quando? | Registered: Apr 2002
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robbie_dee
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posted 18 July 2005 01:26 PM
You may find these websites to be particularly helpful resources:www.unionjobs.com www.labourstartjobs.org As Lagatta indicated above, a number of unions I am familiar with do a lot of their hiring from the rank and file membership - particularly for organizing and negotiating positions. At the same time, they also do hire a few "experts" from outside, particularly in areas like research, communications and of course legal. If you have skills or education in those areas, it might improve your prospects. Of course, you could go the rank and file route, either taking a job in a workplace where you would be a member of a union and then working your way up, or taking a job in a non-union workplace and organizing from within. The latter, which is sometimes called "salting," can be very exciting and educational, as well as an opportunity to get recognized quickly if you choose to organize your workplace with an established union. At the same time, there is also often a lot of politics around moving from a rank and file job to a union staff position, particularly when such employment is viewed as a "perk" and a cushier alternative to the day to day grind in the bargaining unit. A couple of other thoughts: If you want to get into union organizing immediately, and you are willing to go south of the border for work, you might also check out the AFL-CIO Organizing Institute, which recruits activists from both inside and outside the labour movement for training, internships and placements with participating unions. A warning - things are a little unsettled in the U.S. labour movement right now. There may be big changes coming. There will still be lots of jobs, but maybe not so much job security. If you want to be an organizer but would prefer to stay in Canada, I understand from a recent Our Times article that the BC Federation of Labour has established an Organizing Institute similar to the one in the United States, but I am not sure how one would get involved with it. [ 18 July 2005: Message edited by: robbie_dee ]
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Erstwhile
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posted 18 July 2005 01:44 PM
EDIT: Somehow I figured I'd end up about tenth in the queue! Oh well...Robbie and Lagatta are on the ball, as per usual...!Well, Meow, not knowing anything about your background (other than that you're a 23-year-old student, according to your profile!), I'll throw in my two cents. Also, I'm speaking purely from the negotiator perspective - I'm not at all involved in organizing. If you're currently a member of a union, see if you can get involved as a shop steward or a member of the Bargaining Committee. This will give you experience with workplace grievances or the bargaining process. (Some unions encourage their shop stewards to file grievances, some are more centralized and prefer that the on-staff union representatives bring the actual grievance - but regardless, a shop steward should be involved at the early stages of a problem.) This will be invaluable experience when applying for jobs as a union representative. Also, most unions will have an "organizer school" that will train their union organizers. Check that out, as well as any other similar training that the union might offer re: negotiating, workplace dispute resolution, etc. As Lagatta has mentioned, there are basically two paths to a job of this sort - coming up "through the ranks" as a union member, or getting training/education that unions will require. There are a number of academic backgrounds that can be useful in getting a job of this kind, I think. Most universities will have a Labour Relations school, either as part of their Commerce group or perhaps as a separate school. Queen's, I believe, offers a fairly specialized Masters in Industrial Relations degree. Something like that might assist in getting a job as a staff/union representative or negotiator. (As an aside, while many employers hire consultants or lawyers to negotiate Collective Agreements for them, in my experience most unions don't for the simple reason that their staff is usually unionized and therefore hiring a consultant would be "contracting out"! Hence, if union reps resign/retire and go the consultancy route, they often end up doing the vast majority of their work for management!) A legal background is a possibility, though a law degree is, in itself, likely not going to get you a job with a trade union, though if you're interested in working as a labour lawyer, obviously this is the route to take. You'd likely want to have some experience either within a union or doing labour law before looking for work in the labour movement. That said, keep your eyes on the Careers section of your local paper (that's where I found my job), on-line, etc. Even if you don't think you're qualified there's nothing wrong with applying Depending on the job and circumstances, sometimes just expressing your enthusiasm for the field can at least get you an interview...which can lead to other stuff down the road. Lagatta's pretty much hit the nail on the head about the pros and cons of working for a union. While I've only been at this for a wee while it is a very challenging field - often frustrating, occasionally satisfying, never boring. [ 18 July 2005: Message edited by: Erstwhile ]
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Sara Mayo
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posted 18 July 2005 01:55 PM
If you choose to go the education route, Meow, you'll definetely want to check out McMaster's Labour Studies Programme. Although, Meow, being from Hamilton, you must know about it already.The program is definitely pro-labour compared to other school's Industrial relations programs. If you do the graduate program, you will also be a TA, which is especially useful since McMaster's TAs are unionized with CUPE. You can get involved at a very high level very quickly with that union and add that experience as well as your education to your CV. Edited to add: Robbie, I didn't see your post... great minds think alike! [ 18 July 2005: Message edited by: Sara Mayo ]
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Meow
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posted 18 July 2005 03:07 PM
thanks to everyone for your help, I really appreciate all your advice. To those of you who were wondering about my background: I'm actually a graduate from the Mcmaster Labour Studies program, so I can attest that it is a good primer in labour relations, and indeed fairly politically radical. I really enjoyed myself in the program. The only drawback to it is that it didn't really provide me with a lot of "technical expertise" in any specific field. I suppose most undergraduate programs are like that though. So far most of my work experience is in career counselling, but this is not what I necessarily envision myself doing permanantly. Helping someone write a resume (while a necessary function..) doesn't really fullfill my desire to take part in meaningful social change. I'm looking into graduate work right now, but moreso i'm looking for entry level positions in labour relations. I don't want to go back to school for 2 more years until i'm fairly certain that I want to be in a particular field. I'm going to try applying for some of the things from the websites that were mentioned. It might be a shot in the dark since neither of them seem to be updated all that often! Thanks again to everyone for your help.
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robbie_dee
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posted 18 July 2005 05:04 PM
Meow, some of your professors at McMaster may have connections within the labour movement, too. If there was a particular class you enjoyed, or a professor you thought you made an impression with, you should try to talk to that professor about your interests. S/he may be able to make an introduction on your behalf or at least point you in the right direction.Also, this posting from unionjobs.com is only a month old, its in Toronto, and it appears to be appropriate for someone with your background. You might want to give the SEIU a call to see if the position is still open. quote: RESEARCH ASSOCIATE TORONTO, ONTARIOJoin the Fight for Social Justice - Research Injustice to Help Empower Workers! A progressive Canadian organizing union, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is seeking a creative and hardworking Research Associate to be part of our aggressive organizing and bargaining team in Canada, based in Toronto, Ontario. SEIU is a progressive union that uses extensive research to help workers build their union and improve their lives. The Research Associate will respond to requests from Local and International staff and compile, research, present and summarize information to support SEIU's programs. Education and Experience Bachelors degree in labor relations, statistics or other related degree. Prior research experience, even as a student, or any equivalent combination of education and experience that provides the following knowledge, skills and abilities: knowledge of research techniques and processes, and quantitative techniques and analysis; ability to use spreadsheets, databases and on-line research services on a personal computer; ability to communicate effectively, both orally and in writing; ability to work with people from diverse backgrounds and cultures; and commitment to justice for working people. Union organizing experience desirable. Fluency in French and English is highly desirable. Competitive salary, vacation and benefits. People of color, women, Aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities are encouraged to apply. See our website www.seiu.org for more information about SEIU. To apply, send a résumé, cover letter, and analytical research paper as a writing sample to: Karen Dolan SEIU Canada 75 The Donway West, Suite 810 North York, ON, M3C 2E9 fax (416) 447-2428 or email [email protected] . We thank all applicants for their interest. However, only those considered for an interview will be contacted.
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