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escapegoat
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posted 30 March 2005 11:14 PM      Profile for escapegoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This article really burned my cheese.

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"This was a minor sexual assault," he explained. "Minor meaning there was no violence, no threats of death, and no weapons used. It was basically sexual touching."

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http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2005/03/30/976742-sun.html

Wed, March 30, 2005
Sex rap for OPP officer
By Chris Doucette, Toronto Sun

A MALE Ontario Provincial Police officer has been charged with sexual assault stemming from a weekend encounter with a longtime acquaintance, Barrie Police say. A woman came forward Monday alleging the OPP officer had made a sexual advance toward her on Saturday that was "not acceptable," Sgt. Dave Goodbrand said yesterday. An investigation was conducted following the complaint and the accused was arrested later that day.

"This was a minor sexual assault," he explained. "Minor meaning there was no violence, no threats of death, and no weapons used. It was basically sexual touching."

Const. Gregory Fines, 45, who is assigned to the Aurora detachment, faces one count of sexual assault and had been expected in court yesterday.

Goodbrand said the officer and the alleged victim had known each other for a number of years "on a personal level," but he did not elaborate on their relationship.

Awkward as it may be to investigate "one of our own," Goodbrand said a "thorough and accurate" investigation must be carried out because "police are not exempt from the law."


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gabong
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posted 30 March 2005 11:25 PM      Profile for gabong     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is there such a thing as petty theft?

Are there degrees of murder?

Is tying someone up and repeatedly raping him/her the same as drunkenly grabbing an ass.

I'm not excusing it. I just don't see how the use of the word "minor" is inapproriate.


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Amy
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posted 30 March 2005 11:28 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What makes me mad is that it's his way of minimizing what happened, rather than him using a legal term.
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James
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posted 30 March 2005 11:42 PM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As much as as I distrust police, and particularly when they are left to investigate their own, I can't go with your premise (nor do I understand what it is)

Since the Criminal Code was revised, "sexual assault" does encompass a very wide range of offences.

Many do involve weapons, many do involve minors, many are very violent and produce serious physical injuries.

As this case is described, it is none of those, and so, I'd say falls on the more "minor" end of the scale.


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fzxdude
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posted 07 April 2005 11:40 AM      Profile for fzxdude     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ok lets look at this scenario ...

a man and woman (of age) are in a relationship ... the man makes an attempt to progress the relationship ... the woman refuses and then cries sex assault (among the ranks of rapists and what not)

think this doesn't happen ?


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andrean
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posted 07 April 2005 12:31 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
think this doesn't happen ?

Maybe it does, but there's no statistics demonstrating that false sexual assault accusations are any more rampant than false accusations of other crimes.

This notion that women "cry rape" when they haven't been assaulted is just the most awful, woman-hating claptrap. What does a woman get by "crying rape"? Is there some kind of reward for rape victims that I don't know about? Nobody gets anything good for having been raped: nobody gets a reward, gets to be on tv, gets a hero biscuit, nobody gets anything except a whole lot of scrutiny from a lot of people in authority who don't usually believe a word you're saying. Oh, one thing you can get for having been raped is charged with public mischief (if the police can't find sufficient evidence to prosecute or if your "story" isn't sufficiently clear and consistent and delivered in the appropriate period of time after the alleged assault).


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fzxdude
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posted 07 April 2005 12:45 PM      Profile for fzxdude     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
see thats the best part about rape ... an accusation is ample ... even with consentual nature of some acts being frisky

what does a woman get for a false accusation ?

anger/hatred: screw the guy over in the public eye and possibly send him to jail ... and remember if he doesnt get convicted, he's still screwed ... and if he doesnt go to jail ... its not like the woman is going to get in trouble for it

guilt: woman feels guilty about a one night stand (specially a young girl) and decides to ease the guilt by making up a story

its too damned hard to make a sex assault charge mean anything in that kind of case, because there may not have been any intent to assault, but just progress a relationship

where does it go from being just a mistaken intention to being an assault ?


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Black Dog
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posted 07 April 2005 12:47 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Discuss feminist issues from a pro-feminist point of view.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 April 2005 12:59 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
its not like the woman is going to get in trouble for it

I believe they can be charged with mischief for making a false claim.


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andrean
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posted 07 April 2005 01:10 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
where does it go from being just a mistaken intention to being an assault ?

When she says "no" or "please don't" or "that's not why I asked you to come in" or "I don't feel like going any further" or "I really like you but I don't want to have sex right now" or "I just want to talk/kiss/cuddle/etc instead" or "can't we just do this for now?", for starters. Or, in fact, any other time that she doesn't explicitly say, "Hell, yes, let's go baby!"


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Erstwhile
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posted 07 April 2005 01:16 PM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:

I believe they can be charged with mischief for making a false claim.



Yes, they can, and have been. Not always, but it does happen.


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fzxdude
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posted 07 April 2005 01:21 PM      Profile for fzxdude     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by andrean:

When she says "no" or "please don't" or "that's not why I asked you to come in" or "I don't feel like going any further" or "I really like you but I don't want to have sex right now" or "I just want to talk/kiss/cuddle/etc instead" or "can't we just do this for now?", for starters. Or, in fact, any other time that she doesn't explicitly say, "Hell, yes, let's go baby!"


So effectively what you are saying is the woman has to initiate the contact ...


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andrean
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posted 07 April 2005 01:27 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I'm saying that she has to agree to the contact without duress.
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audra trower williams
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posted 07 April 2005 01:40 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See ya, fzxdude.
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uma77
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posted 07 April 2005 02:09 PM      Profile for uma77     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the use of "minor" in terms of sexual assault should indeed be looked at in this article. Who termed it as minor? The police department? The woman? Sexual assault, even if restricted to harassment and very little direct violence, may not be seen as a minimal act, especially to those involved. It's difficult, because sexual assault can mean a variety of different things, but terming something as "minor" definitely minimizes what is said to have happened.
Also, instances of false accusations are no higher than for any other crime.

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