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Michelle
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posted 11 April 2003 08:32 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.bitchmagazine.com/archives/12_99missr/miss.htm

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STANDING IN LINE AT THE MOVIES, I'M LISTENING to a friend chat with an old acquaintance who happens to be in line behind us. As they bemoan the state of San Francisco housing, the acquaintance mentions that her older sister just purchased a hunk of East Coast real estate. "She bought a six-room apartment," she says proudly. A dramatic pause, and then the kicker: "Without him."

Him? Who's him?

Oh, him. Right. I feel as though I've been transported into one of those General Mills International Coffee ads, where a knot of women sit around someone's living room with their Café Hazelnut Mochas, reinforcing female stereotypes for all they're worth. This woman is waiting for my friend to respond excitedly, but what is she supposed to say? "Wow, that's wonderful that your sister is able to summon the courage to buy an apartment without first meeting and marrying a tall, perfectly stubbled, George Clooney-looking software executive who will foot the bill for everything and then let her pick out all the pretty furniture"? Or, "Gosh, it's great that your sister isn't afraid to look like a pathetic spinster, what with having her very own apartment and all"?

It's weird to hear women still mouthing the kind of stuff that even Cosmo seems to know better than to print these days. But then, it's kind of a weird time to be a single woman.



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vaudree
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posted 11 April 2003 10:48 AM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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A Certain Age, Tama Janowitz's story of a woman whose ridiculously high standards preclude finding The Right Man.
What about women's whose ridiculously low standards which preclude finding the right man? And what is this finding the right man as if it is like finding the right shade of blue to paint the living room?

Mr. Right, if he does exist, is not some prefabricated image that has been marketed and sold to us. And marriage is not about spending the rest of our lives trying to be someone we are not.

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What these books do have in common is that they center on single women, and, as such, provide ruminations on what it means to be single. Duh, right? Sure-the problem is that the marketing doesn't reflect the fact that characters like
I sort of wonder what Michael Moore would say about using fiction as a means to understand reality. We all do it, but why?

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audra trower williams
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posted 11 April 2003 11:34 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think people also use reality to understand fiction.
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Sisyphus
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posted 11 April 2003 03:20 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just dropping in to say "Hi".

Hi.


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Sisyphus
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posted 11 April 2003 04:43 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, last time in.
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Sisyphus
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posted 11 April 2003 05:08 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm logging off, so this IS the last one. Good weekend all you Miss Rights!
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vaudree
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posted 12 April 2003 03:10 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I think people also use reality to understand fiction.
A case in point would be Atwood's Handmaid's tale. If you break down everything that happens in that book to the tiniest part, all of it has happened at one point or another during human history.

Fiction, like reality, is also about perspective - the way one views the world and the way one views the self. Wierd as her writing may be at times, I would rather come to Margaret Atwood if I need a reality check than most of those writers Michelle mentioned. I liked how the article abreviated that woman's name as BJ - as if the woman was a disciple of phallocentric worship.

The sad thing is when one moves to a psychological look at fiction, one comes across Gilbert et al which tells us that if we don't question a fiction when we are presented with it, our brains automatically encode that fiction as reality. We may accept that the heroine is not real, but never question the attitudes and perspectives that get encoded as fact in our brains because we are too preoccupied with other aspects of the story to question them.

I had a friend who did not want to go with me and J to amovie she wanted to see, but was waiting for her drunken common-law husband to take her (which he never did because he was too busy drinking). Some where along the line she got the idea that it was lesbianish to go to a movie without atleast one guy present, and it just felt too wierd to go to a movie with two other straight females when none of us had guys along. She didn't allow me to be her reality check - in other words, she didn't listen to me.


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Michelle
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posted 12 April 2003 09:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. "Lesbianish" to go to the movies with the grils? Strange attitude if you ask me. I have one close girlfriend here in town that I always go to the movies with. I also go once in a while with my mom. I haven't been to the movies with a guy for years, not since the first year of my marriage (before the little one was born). I love going to the movies with "the girls". Female bonding and all that. Especially this one close friend of mine because we both have a weakness for the junk-formula action flicks.

In fact, I tried to convince her to go tonight but she's studying for exams. Oh well. Excuse me while I skip over to the "how boring was it" thread...


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vaudree
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posted 13 April 2003 03:14 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have another friend (American) who thinks its Lesbianish to fast dance with girls. A good song is on all you want to do is get up and dance.

I don't believe the Lesbian feminist theory that marriage is the way men control women. But I do believe that this fear of doing anything that would might lead one to consider you a possible Lesbian is just a way to keep women in line. As far as I know, lesbians go to movies or fast dance with their male friends once in a while, shave their legs etc. And sleeping with a man is no proof that one is straight - and the guys who use that line know it deep down.


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'lance
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posted 13 April 2003 03:34 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a friend who speaks fluent Lesbianish.

I imagin she'd get a laugh from your friend's ideas.


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vaudree
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posted 14 April 2003 01:01 AM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back to the original post. There is a woman putting off buying a house (and who knows what else) because she is waiting to get a man. And another woman who is buying her house, because she thinks she will never get a man. Seems a bit all or none.
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