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Mycroft_
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posted 06 March 2003 04:11 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I lived in a co-op building about 8 years ago. Part of the fee when moving in was a $50 "capital loan" each individual member is required to make to the co-op. The loan is repayable after five years.

Being short of money, and in the neighbourhood, I dropped into my former coop recently and asked if I could get the loan refunded. I have been mailed this response:

quote:

I have reviewed your claim for refund of your Capital Loan made to (name deleted) Co-op. From my records your loan was made in the 1995/6 year.

Capital loans are repayable in 5 years and there is one year in whihc to make your claim. You were eligible to recover your Capital loan from May 1, 2000 to April 30, 2001.

Unfortunately, I am not able to comply with your request for refund. Should have (sic) any questions regarding this please feel free to contact me directly.


Say what! Now I don't have a copy of the membership application I signed eight years ago so I don't know if this "only one year to recliam your loan" rule is in there but this is the first I've heard of it and it just sounds wrong to me. Is it legal to have this sort of window for getting a loan repaid after which you forfeit your money? This just sounds like a scam to me.


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josh
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posted 06 March 2003 04:42 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would depend on what the application said, Mycroft. They should have a copy of your application on file. I don't quite understand the reason for the one-year requirement. But just because it might not make sense, does not make it illegal. Assuming this is Toronto, the city may have ordinances covering such payments. There also could be a provincial law on the matter. Not being familiar with Canadian law, I'm hardpressed to give you an answer beyond that. You may want to PM Jeff House on the matter.

I'll be forwarding my bill shortly.


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Mycroft_
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posted 06 March 2003 04:50 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, just because something is in a contract doesn't make it legal (assuming the one year rule is in the contract) for instance a lease requiring a tenant to pay a "key deposit" is illegal, even if the tenant signs, same with a lease banning pets. What I'm wondering is whether the one year refund stipulation is legal in a coop contract.

I've written the coop and asked them to send me a copy of any document signed by me which stipulated a one year restriction.

[ 06 March 2003: Message edited by: Mycroft ]


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josh
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posted 06 March 2003 05:07 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's true. Just because something is in a contract doesn't make it legal. Off hand, I don't know if such a provision, if it is in fact in there, is legal. My gut tells me that absent a law forbidding it, it probably would be because a court could conclude that it was not unreasonable for a landlord to put a time limit on the refund. They could reason that a tenant could come back twenty years later and ask for a refund, by which time records could be lost, destroyed or misplaced, etc. But again, it probably would be best to consult someone with familiarity of the particulars of Toronto and Ontario law.

Good luck.


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Mycroft_
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posted 06 March 2003 05:17 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, they're bastards. As a student coop virtually all their members are gone after four years. Given the five year wait for the loan to be refunded, and given that the coop doesn't send out reminders to former residents telling them that the loan period is up, I suspect very few former residents ever get their money back. I've certainly never heard of a loan being forfeit if you don't collect within a year. Bastards, I say.

quote:
You may want to PM Jeff House on the matter.

Poor Jeff. He's a criminal lawyer but we babblers are begining to insist that he act as an expert in all areas of law, contract, international, landlord-tenant whatever. Perhaps we can get rabble to open a "People's Court" forum and make Jeff the presiding judge

[ 06 March 2003: Message edited by: Mycroft ]


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jeff house
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posted 06 March 2003 07:17 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I accept your nomination.

On the housing co-op question, I will assume, without seeing the docs, that they have some sort of one year refund rule.

I would not accept that as the answer, though. Tell them that you have been told that a claim in "quantum meruit" is not barred by a contractual condition. Tell them also that your lawyer is recommending that you sue on behalf of the class of all persons arbitrarily denied their money.

They have no right to arbitrarily enrich themselves. While Josh is right that your argument would carry less weight after 20 years, at this point, it is not reasonable that they just grab the money.

"This is not a legal opinion. Check with a lawyer who may examine the documents, etc. etc."


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Michelle
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posted 06 March 2003 08:16 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IANAL, but I do believe this is not banter.

Moving to earning and spending.


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