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Slumberjack
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posted 11 September 2006 08:16 AM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I briefly watched the wall to wall television media coverage of the memorials for the 9-11 victims. I couldn't help but to juxtapose the outpouring of solemn emotions from the innocent 9-11 surviving widows and children, with the emotions of the surviving members of innocent Iraqi civilians, whose families were uncaringly devastated by the American political and military industrial complex. Since our society chooses not to set aside a a unique special day to remember the children killed by American firepower in the aftermath of 9/11, I choose today to include them with all the victims that this day has produced at the behest of madmen.
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Michelle
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posted 11 September 2006 09:00 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Indeed. Thanks for this, Slumberjack. I've been avoiding the mainstream media today since I don't particularly want to watch Dubya and the gang riding the corpses of the 9-11 victims all day.
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N.Beltov
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posted 11 September 2006 09:18 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't PM Harper scheduled to make a public statement early this evening? For his own sake, he better remove Dubya's leash for the cameras.
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oldgoat
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posted 11 September 2006 10:28 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This seems like a good place to draw attention to this thread.

It seems like such a short time ago. Babble was onle 5 months old, and I had joined only 2 months before.

I had heard about the attacks at work, and just had to come home. No one else was there, but being on babble really gave me a sense of sharing the experience as it was happening. I don't think I posted on that thread, but it was comforting to follow the events with other people on line. The immediacy of the responses are interesting to look at 5 years later.

Babble suddenly changed from a pleasant little debating room overnight to a forum that was serious and pretty tense. In a way it never changed back. A bit of a model for what happened to the world.


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Boom Boom
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posted 11 September 2006 10:35 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was in Mutton Bay, on the Lower North Shore of Quebec, preparing for a flight back to my home in Harrington Harbour, when I heard that all aircraft in Canada had been grounded. What the hell? I was staying in a mobile home without television or radio, and I had to walk over to a friend's house to find out what was going on. Then I saw the news. I was stranded until midnight, when I hopped onboard a fishing boat that was headed my way, with a load of other aircraft passengers that had been similarly stranded. Got home about 2 am, watched the news right through the night and the next day.
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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 11 September 2006 07:13 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Indeed. Thanks for this, Slumberjack. I've been avoiding the mainstream media today since I don't particularly want to watch Dubya and the gang riding the corpses of the 9-11 victims all day.

And you've been spot on in your analysis. Wanna go one worse? Try watching any NFL games this weekend or the games on ESPN tonight.

(i need the vomiting smiley here)

Bush's latest:

Put Aside Differences and Join Our Endless Slaughter

quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Five years after the worst attack on U.S. soil, President Bush said Monday night the war against terrorism is "the calling of our generation" and urged Americans to put aside differences and fight to victory.

"America did not ask for this war, and every American wishes it were over," Bush said in a prime-time address from the Oval Office. "The war is not over - and it will not be over until either we or the extremists emerge victorious."

Bush also staunchly defended the war in Iraq though he acknowledged that Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.

His address came at the end of a day in which he visited New York, Pennsylvania and the Pentagon to honor victims of the attacks that rocked his presidency and thrust the United States into a costly and unfinished war against terror.

"We are now in the early hours of this struggle between tyranny and freedom," the president said.

As for Iraq, he said Saddam's regime, while lacking weapons of mass destruction, was a threat that posed "a risk the world could not afford to take." At least 2,670 U.S. servicemen and women have died in Iraq, which Bush calls the central front in the war on terror.

"Whatever mistakes have been made in Iraq, the worst mistake would be to think that if we pulled out, the terrorists would leave us alone," the president said. "They will not leave us alone. They will follow us."



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dackle
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posted 11 September 2006 07:28 PM      Profile for dackle        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've been avoiding the mainstream media today since I don't particularly want to watch Dubya and the gang riding the corpses of the 9-11 victims all day.

I feel the same sentiment every December 6th.


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siren
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posted 11 September 2006 07:29 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CBC has been 9/11 all the time for most of the weekend and today was especially brutal.

Harpercrite outdid Bush today. At least Bush sat at his desk and spoke, not so buddy Steve.

quote:
Harper links 9/11 attacks with need for Afghan mission

Last Updated Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:12:54 EDT

CBC News

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday that Canada's military participation in Afghanistan is necessary to make the world safer and help eliminate the terror behind the Sept. 11 attacks.

Harper made his televised address on the fifth anniversary of the attacks from the Hall of Honour in Parliament. He was flanked by relatives of some of the 24 Canadians killed in the U.S. five years ago, as well as relatives of Canadian soldiers currently serving in Afghanistan.


It was just like a Bush photo op, including Harper's beady eyes moving rather obviously across the teleprompter screen.

Support the troops! Give 'em jobs in Harpercrite's propaganda efforts!

Oh, and Condauseless turned up in Halifax to thank Canadians:

quote:
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was at one of those locations on Monday, thanking Nova Scotians and Canadians for their effort five years ago.

Remember in Bush's first speech after 9/11 when he thanked every country involved and noted their losses -- except for Canada. My times have changed. Now that we have our own little neo-con, eager to lick Bush's boots, we are a great little ally.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 11 September 2006 07:42 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dackle:

I feel the same sentiment every December 6th.


Dackle, don't you think that's taking things just a bit too far?


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dackle
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posted 11 September 2006 07:58 PM      Profile for dackle        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No.
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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 11 September 2006 08:02 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dackle:
No.

Who specifically in your mind are the people using the victims of the Dec. 6 shootings for their own political or social ends? I'm not trying to bait you here, I really want to know - are there people in Canada who see the annual memorials as crass and why.


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dackle
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posted 11 September 2006 08:29 PM      Profile for dackle        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Who specifically in your mind are the people using the victims of the Dec. 6 shootings for their own political or social ends?

Wendy Cukier.

I wasn't trying to derail this thread, I just agree with the disgust felt when people use the victims of crime/murder/whatever to further their agenda.

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are there people in Canada who see the annual memorials as crass and why.

Maybe. The memorials are fine by me and most definitely have a place. I'm still waiting for a day to memorialize Robert Picton's victims.

That and a pig registry.


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N.Beltov
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posted 11 September 2006 08:32 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably something to do with his self-confessed or self-mocking gun fetish. Problem is, the misogynist murder of all those female engineering students in Montreal forever changed public opinion, at least in Quebec and probably in all or most large urban centers in Canada, in favour of gun control. [Problem for opponents of gun control, that is.] The change in public opinion was a contributing factor, probably the most important factor, in establishing the gun registry in Canada.

Thing is, without gun(s) that mass murderer would not have been able to kill so many people before he killed himself. But, perhaps dackle has a snappy answer to that one.


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dackle
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posted 11 September 2006 08:37 PM      Profile for dackle        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Thing is, without gun(s) that mass murderer would not have been able to kill so many people before he killed himself. But, perhaps dackle has a snappy answer to that one.

You're right. Although I suppose with an airplane and some box cutters he may have been able to make do in a pinch.


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N.Beltov
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posted 11 September 2006 08:40 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know what? There are all sorts of arguments that can be made. But the best one is ... "You're outnumbered". Because that's not likely to change.
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dackle
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posted 11 September 2006 08:52 PM      Profile for dackle        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
You know what? There are all sorts of arguments that can be made. But the best one is ... "You're outnumbered". Because that's not likely to change.

I'm perfectly fine with using "you're outnumbered" when making decisions about laws in Canada.

I trust that you are too.


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unionist
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posted 11 September 2006 08:57 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dackle:
Wendy Cukier.

I wasn't trying to derail this thread, I just agree with the disgust felt when people use the victims of crime/murder/whatever to further their agenda.


Are you a low life citizen hell bent on defending your perverted gun fetish rights?


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babblerwannabe
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posted 11 September 2006 08:58 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yeah, I felt bad for the people that died in Chile too.
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Cueball
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posted 11 September 2006 09:01 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On 9/11 1982, Areil Sharon announced to the world that their were thousands of PLO terrorists in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps. Less than a week later, the IDF allowed the Christian Felangist militia into the camps where they perpetrated a 3 day orgy of violence, killing as many 1500 unarmed people, most of whom were civilians, women and children.
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N.Beltov
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posted 11 September 2006 09:03 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, sure. There is a caveat in there, mind you. As long as public opinion doesn't change. I can't see it changing on some sort of gun control, at least by people that live in urban areas. And if we get many more of those Mayerthorpe events [4 RCM Police officers killed by a better armed and prepared gunman] ... who knows? Even rural opinions can change.

Anyway, the gun issue deserves its own thread, eh? I don't actually have really strong views on it - though it has hit close to home at least once. The boyfriend of my church Minister's daughter was killed by a stray bullet in Winnipeg a year or so ago. He never knew what hit him.


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Cueball
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posted 11 September 2006 09:07 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
yeah, I felt bad for the people that died in Chile too.


That's right.

On 9/11, 1973, Augusto Pincohet and the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile, introducing a police state to a country that had the third longest democratic tradition in the Americas.

[ 11 September 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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M. Spector
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posted 11 September 2006 09:12 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dackle:
That and a pig registry.
Your name will go in there first.


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Cueball
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posted 11 September 2006 09:18 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Spetember 11th, 1973 Democracy under attack: Chilean Presidential palace being bombed by British made aircraft, at the behest of the CIA, Henry Kissinger, and Augusto Pinochet.

[ 11 September 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 11 September 2006 10:06 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Last Words

by Salvador Allende

Surely, this will be the last opportunity for me to address you. The Air Force has bombed the antennas of Radio Magallanes. My words do not have bitterness but disappointment. May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath: soldiers of Chile, titular commanders in chief, Admiral Merino, who has designated himself Commander of the Navy, and Mr. Mendoza, the despicable general who only yesterday pledged his fidelity and loyalty to the Government, and who also has appointed himself Chief of the Carabineros [paramilitary police]. Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I am not going to resign!

.....................

I address you, above all, the modest woman of our land, the farmer who believed in us, the mother who knew our concern for children. I address professionals of Chile, patriotic professionals who continued working against the sedition that was supported by professional associations, classist associations that also defended the advantages of capitalist society.

I address the youth, those who sang and gave us their joy and their spirit of struggle. I address the man of Chile, the worker, the farmer, the intellectual, those who will be persecuted, because in our country fascism has been already present for many hours -- in terrorist attacks, blowing up the bridges, cutting the railroad tracks, destroying the oil and gas pipelines, in the face of the silence of those who had the obligation to act.

...............................


Santiago de Chile,
11 September 1973



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posted 11 September 2006 10:08 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you, siren, for reminding us what September 11 used to mean.
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siren
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posted 11 September 2006 10:10 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're very welcome, but Cueball got the memory rolling.
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posted 11 September 2006 10:24 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by siren:
You're very welcome, but Cueball got the memory rolling.

You're right! Thanks, Cueball, somehow my eye missed your post. I remember what I was doing that day...


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haremgoosis
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posted 12 September 2006 08:02 AM      Profile for haremgoosis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, my good babblers, I don't recall what I was doing in 1973, or if I even bothered to listen to any news that day, but for the 2001 date, I felt like writing it down about a week later...

Sept 18, '01

here's my slant on a day in history:

***************************************

I was on the picket line that morning, doing time (8 'til noon, for $35 strike pay - God knows when I'll see it - apparently He has more pressing issues) with the rest of my UNDE/PSAC local, hittin' the bricks, blocking traffic a few minutes at a time, with the slim hope of actually affecting anything or even 'making a statement' (the military only had to whine a little to get their raise, so we thought that might work for us...making them whine, that is), even if that statement is only, "we can't get any respect, so we ain't giving any!"

Anyway, at 10am I offer to take over flagman duty for an hour, so I had to wear the reflector vest and hold the Stop/Slow sign and take my cues from the flagman a couple hundred feet away at the north end of our picket, and the next half-hour passed by uneventfully. I think it was around 10:30 (I had no watch on) that Ray, our local prez, grabbed a megaphone and addressed the crowd of strikers. He didn't point it my way, however, and though I tried, I couldn't make out, but wondered just the same, what he was saying to them, and no one walked over to apprise me. (Though I'd never given it a second thought that day, neither had I the inclination to inquire as to the subject of Ray's address, such was my state of shock and grief to follow. And it never occurred to me again, until I'd thought about writing this account the next day, and it struck me how bluntly rhetorical that question had become.)

Around a quarter-hour later, during one of the traffic stoppages, there were around 15 vehicles backed-up at my end when this exec-looking type gets out of his car, fifth from the front, and strides purposefully toward the MPs, who were in their vehicle on the shoulder adjacent to me, maintaining their police presence at the picket line so things don't get out of hand. The suit, indignantly gesturing in my direction, begins interrogating the MPs as they rise out of their vehicle to face him: "What gives this guy the right to block this road? I'd like to make a complaint - who do I lodge a complaint with?"

"Write your MP", I piped in, easily within ear-shot, and...no pun intended.

"...blah, blah, blah...", he persisted, his agitation mounting with every deeper shade of red evinced on his face.

Meanwhile, the flagman at the other end yelled, "Break!", and when the picketers cleared I flipped my sign around: SLOW, to which the traffic began to flow.

"...and these people are blocking traffic!", he raged on, unaccustomed as he most likely was to not having things his own way.

"Now you're the one who's blocking traffic, sir", I calmly interjected.

He glanced over and noticed the cars moving past me, turned around to see about 20 vehicles now backed-up behind his. He stormed off, disgusted, and as he drove past me I said, "Your patience is appreciated". (In retrospect I'm glad I didn't antagonize further with, "Have a nice day!") The cops just looked at me and smiled as I tipped my hat - they never had to say one word to the guy!

I had to stop the vehicle at the very end of that next line because the change had been called and picketers were commencing to cross. "Sorry," I apologized, "We'll only hold you up a few minutes; we appreciate your patience", and the driver, in army fatigues, didn't seem to mind.

About a minute later this driver rolls his window right down and says, "Have you heard?"

"Heard what?", I answered.

A week later now, and it's still too hard to fathom: "Terrorists hi-jacked two airliners and flew them into both towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. Both buildings collapsed. They flew a third plane into the Pentagon", the chap related, his children looking bewildered in the back seat, trying to wrap their little minds around the significance of such news, as was I.

I was stunned, letting it sink in, the surrealism commandeered my brain, like I was Clark Kent being told the Daily Planet was rubble, and I was thinking if this doesn't begin World War III then I don't know what will. "Man, this could start World War Three", I blathered, unable to say anything beyond what I'd just thought. On cue, an automaton, I flipped the sign. He just nodded and drove on, a pall of gloom left on the day, and me, in his wake.

At the side of the road, I asked the MPs if they'd heard the news. They said, "Sure; we been listening to it on our radio here for the last hour".

'Thanks for the heads-up', I thought to myself while feeling like I was the last insignificant soul on Earth to find out.

My relief came a few minutes later; I handed him back the props while we exchanged incredulities. No one seemed to really know what to make of it or how it would bode for the future other than that it was not good. "How truly worthless our plight here now seems", I remember saying.

With me back on the picket line, about 11:15am, Ray manned the megaphone once more - this time I not only heard it, but anticipated it; he read from a newly dispatched net communique:

"In light of the tragic events in Washington and New York earlier today, security will inevitably be heightened at government offices and institutions. Continuing our picket lines in these circumstances could put our members at risk. In addition, many of our members would routinely assist in protecting the safety and security of Canadians as part of their jobs. Given the current situation, it is appropriate that they remain on the job. As a result, the PSAC is suspending all strike activity for today and the rest of this week.

"As public sector workers, our solidarity goes out to our Brothers and Sisters in New York and Washington, and to all those who are affected."

On that note we broke it off and pulled up stakes; cleaned up the area and headed home. On leaving I asked if the union meeting was still on for 7pm that evening. "Yes", came the reply.

I suppose everyone has their own ideas about what it is we're striking for and probably the 'bottom line' is reason enough for the lowest common denominator. But for many more I think it's a matter of principle, that if we're to be properly sodomized, hog-tied and held over a barrel, then pardon us if we hoot and holler a bit; that if members of parliament and senior bureaucrats can take hefty hikes to their six-figure incomes while limiting everyone else to a paltry 2% snub they've got another thing coming: our silence over their incomptence and gross waste of taxpayer funds won't continue to be had so cheaply; that in 22 years with the federal public service I have never, EVER, seen a contract increase that EVEN CAME CLOSE to the increase in the Consumer Price Index; that, as one brother related in a 'town hall' meeting, "when I started here, I made the same as a Warrant Officer - now, a corporal makes more than I do"; that the government can't hire new tradespeople because few will work for so little, which sooner or later becomes a safety issue because they end up calling back retirees, and how long before one of them drops dead on the job, and at what risk to others, and whose head will roll because of it? You can bet no one's - it's the Canadian Way. (Look no further than Walkerton, the good-ol'-boy system gone awry, for the kind of 'accountability' that gets imposed on those criminally negligent in their duties - ZERO! ZILCH! EFFING NADA! - There was a definite pay-off there, but it wasn't to the victims or the local rate-payers; but I don't doubt it was designed to buy someone's silence, to not implicate other shirkers of office within the local bureaucracy.)

As much as we'd like to put up a common front, we know there is vocalized dissention in the ranks. Not too few number those who think striking won't amount to much more than 'our loss'. Some have made clear that they won't endure a protracted strike and may be forced to 'cross the line', while others think the government will legislate us back to work and are maybe even 'crossing their fingers' that they do. Wouldn't that be just like the government to NOT legislate us back to work so we'll self-destruct and be further divided? Well, things don't look too hopeful and, against all odds, we still feel like we've got to do something, even if it's just a token sacrifice of pay for a lousy 'token' of a half-percent more respect over what they're currently offering us. I can only cling to the delusory prospect that in a flash of ingenuity, someone in Cabinet might determine what a great boost to local economies throughout our beautiful country a five percent public sector pay hike would prove to be. Imagine that! I'd actually be able to 'afford' to order take-out every other week! oh yay.

Um...how many times am I allowed to digress?

There are other issues, with me anyway, like the fact that the bargaining process is in arrears. In other words, by the time we ratify a contract it's close to expiring. This is stupid and wrong. It means that near the end of a contract being ratified the amount of 'back pay' accumulated over a year or two becomes a bribe, so much so that our underpaid, impoverished membership, dollar signs lighting up in their eyes upon their determining the actual figure, will invariably vote 'yes' and settle for less than they should. Every other union strikes the day their contract expires, but not us. I can only blame the PSAC for allowing things to slide this far out of control, though I know it's us, the grass-roots that are too apathetic and complacent to object strongly enough to shake up the union hierarchy. Anyway, I want the union to get out of this bargaining in arrears nonsense, put the offer to us for ratification, and get into advanced negotiations for the next round so that we can be prepared to strike the day our contract expires, like a real union, and put an end to the back-pay bribe.

With that as a bit of background I'll cut to the union meeting, 9/11/19:00h.

Nothing too detailed here (I don't have the memory for it) but I can touch on a few of the issues raised at the meeting. Just general strike-related stuff, mostly, like how to muster the membership to the warpath to deal a deathly blow to The Great Satan, er... Treasury Board; or what do we do about scabs in the membership who end up crossing our lines if we can't beat the livin' shit out of 'em? "Shun them", came the answer. What? That's hardly The Canadian Way! It's more like, "Here, take this broom-stick and when I bend over, shove it up my ass as hard as you can and see if you can't do more damage than the last parasite. I still have a spleen intact, after all,...so piss on you!" But seriously....we also discussed where would we picket? Location, location, location...is there some strategy we should be heeding? Most folks just want to picket our workplace, the base, at its gates. Simple, but futile...if we're not going to be militant about it and shut the base down, i.e., no commercial traffic free-flow without consequences: no more Mr. Nice Guy; it's got to cost them something - their insurance deductibles, maybe even higher premiums. But most would lack the heart or stomach for something like that (not this cowboy). Others think we'd get more media attention if we picketed with another local in downtown Barrie. I tend to agree, since we're neither angry nor militant enough to effectively strike our own workplace, at least we could jam up downtown somewhere. And speaking of the press, did you know that the public service is not too highly exalted in the public esteem? Me neither, but I wouldn't put it past the ingrates! heh Apparently there's a rampant false impression out there that public servants are all gorging themselves at the trough. Wrong, fools! Don't confuse us with bureaucrats, contractors, consultants, senators, deputy-ministers, and politicians! They're the ones taking you for a ride that you're all too complacent to even vote them out of office or voice objection over. And all I can say is you deserve the fleecing you're getting out of it - every last $billion!

I guess I better tie this in to the disaster soon if I don't wanna lose ya!

A Sister said she thought the Attack on America presented us an opportunity, at which point I said I agreed before I'd even heard her out. She went on to say we could exert more pressure at the borders and before she could elaborate, her suggestion was dismissed out of hand, citing untenable sanctions in a time of crisis would heighten public scorn and prove a detriment to our cause. To this I also agree.

After various other discussions, I had occasion to again bring up the history-in-the-making, which had been unfolding these past 12 hours.

"Ray, you said that we are not held too high in the public eye, but I think the events which occurred south of the border today could provide us, or the PSAC, a rare window of opportunity, not to use as a bargaining chip, but rather as a face-saving means to back out of this strike, which many members don't want nor can long commit to, and put the offer to the membership, which they'll likely ratify because no one can afford to be on strike while failing to stare down that sizable back-pay bribe, and do it all ostensibly under the banner of patriotism and national unity in support of our closest ally, which should garner us some favour in the public eye, while at the same time moving us toward a more forward-, as opposed to backward-, bargaining stance which would lead to the eventual end of the back-pay bribe - a victory of sorts, when you add the proper spin."

May I say that when I talk, people's jaws drop.

"What do we want to help the Americans for?", said one guy lacking vision. (I swear, some people can't see beyond their own goddamned noses!)

'Fool!', I thought. "It wouldn't be 'for them', it would be for OUR benefit," I tried to explain...Aw, ya can't tell a Heinz pickle nothin'! At least there was one member who voiced favour for my suggestion, but anyway, no motions were made nor carried on any issue that night, so my 'vision' didn't even get to die on the order table.

One thing about windows of opportunity: evanescence is their essence - here and gone! I should know: I've missed enough of them!

Peace, Salaam, Shalom


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otter
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posted 12 September 2006 01:23 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
9/11 day = of boring IMO. Although i was quite taken by all the other 9/11 references over the years.

When the WTC was attacked i was taking some classes at a nearby college. Classes where put on hold that day so students could reflect on the incident. My first thought was that it was simply the past actions of u.s. foreign policy coming back to bite them on the ass. A perspective that was alarming to more than a few people there.

But as for today, i have absolutely no time for those that want to annually renew the political currency derived from its emotionality. I can easily bring up a dozen or more brutal incidents in the following years that have far more relevance and a hell of a lot more value for the terms "innocent victims", "horrific acts" and "national tragedy" than this incident could ever achieve.

One such issue that is still occuring and gaining more and more victims every day is the international trade of hundreds of thousands of children valued as little more than sex toys and free labour. Yet there is no equivalent hand wringing going on about them.


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posted 12 September 2006 05:21 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

You're right! Thanks, Cueball, somehow my eye missed your post. I remember what I was doing that day...


Actually, Babblerwannabe brought it up, subtley.


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posted 12 September 2006 06:17 PM      Profile for Red Cap     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Toronto District School Board (and I imagine other school boards)treated 9/11 in much the same way yesterday as Remembrance day is treated. All schools were required to fly their flags at half mast and there was a moment of silence after O'Canada.

One of the recommended poems read something like,

quote:
On this day, with soot raining down ...we were all one colour...bla bla bla ... we were all one race...bla bla bla we were all one religion...bla bla bla ... as we all knelt in prayer, we were all one body


To me, this poem read like a pledge of allegiance to the United States of America in the War on Terror.

Why are our students, who are of many races, many religions and many backgrounds being asked by the school board to pledge allegiance to the U.S. War on Terror?

Don't give me this bit about how so many people died. We all know that the remembrance of 9/11 is political. Atrocities are committed every day. Whenever an atrocity is given a day of remembrance, there is always a new policy that is enshrined in that memorial ceremony. Remembrance Day honours the new international laws that were put in place to help prevent world wars. Remembrance of the Jewish Holocaust asks us to maintain vigilance against racism,anti-Semitism in particular and also lends support to what was at one point the new state of Israel. Ask yourself, what policy is implicitly endorsed by the 9/11 memorial day? If 9/11 is to be a memorial day indefinitely, than this policy is clearly supposed to be a new way of life...for a long time.

[ 12 September 2006: Message edited by: Red Cap ]


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