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sgm
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posted 27 September 2006 04:03 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the CUPE site:

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Private members' bills that would make it illegal for employers to hire workers to replace striking union members will come to a vote in October, beginning with Bill C-257.

Recent sessions of Parliament have seen two private members' bills to outlaw the use of scabs, Bills C-328 (2002) and C-263 (2005).

Bill C-263 was defeated by only 12 votes.

The Liberals were split. Enough voted with the Conservatives to outvote the coalition of Bloc Québecois, NDP and fair minded Liberals. But only barely.


E-mail your MP here.

I'd encourage others to remind the MPs they e-mail that their stand may well be remembered come the next election, but that's just me.


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sgm
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posted 24 October 2006 03:35 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently the vote is tomorrow, October 25:
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Parliament is voting Wednesday October 25th on Bill C-257, a private
member's bill that would outlaw scabs in federally-regulated workplaces.

Please email or phone your MP today to let her or him know that you
want to see Bill C-257 become law.

Recent sessions of Parliament have seen two private members' bills to
outlaw the use of scabs, Bills C-328 (2002) and C-263 (2005).

Bill C-263 was defeated by only 12 votes.

Your call can make a difference. But you must act today.

Send email:

e-mail

Telephone:

Find your MP's phone number here


[ 24 October 2006: Message edited by: sgm ]


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Michelle
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posted 24 October 2006 06:07 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, sgm. I sent mine.

(Hey! That's my first political act as a union member, where I actually identified myself as such. )


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Fidel
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posted 24 October 2006 07:11 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Bill C-263 was defeated by only 12 votes.

Hmmm, they make it sound like there's this battle between good and dark forces happening within the Liberal party. But things like this have been happening since CCF days with the two old line parties working together to defeat the CCF/NDP on so many issues. Liberal Democrat parties in Europe were found by voters to be unnecessary due to a lack of real differences between them and the political right. Whether they are black cats or white cats, they're still cats.


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posted 25 October 2006 12:34 AM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It’s true, the big vote on this is tomorrow.

Obviously, the NDP is totally behind this, as are most of the Bloc. Apparently, many Liberals and even some Conservatives are supporting it.

It's not certain if the MPs in the latter two parties will be allowed to vote for it, given the corporate domination of both.

Hopefully--as in really hopefully--it will pass, and it will be one parliamentary win for the working class public.

Here's the CLC link on the campaign:

http://canadianlabour.ca/


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Michelle
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posted 25 October 2006 06:28 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is there actually any hope for this thing? I mean, has anyone anywhere done an analysis regarding how many MPs are labour-friendly?
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jas
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posted 25 October 2006 07:08 AM      Profile for jas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The timing of this seems odd - ie; while terror grips the headlines and Canada is quietly but openly swinging to the right. But maybe there's a method behind all this etc.
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posted 25 October 2006 03:21 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could someone please post the results when this thing gets voted?
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posted 25 October 2006 08:12 PM      Profile for ouroboros     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by robbie_dee:
Could someone please post the results when this thing gets voted?

167 yes. 101 no.

We won.

For the record, this was a CLC lead campaign with many unions taking part.


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posted 25 October 2006 09:24 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Is there actually any hope for this thing? I mean, has anyone anywhere done an analysis regarding how many MPs are labour-friendly?

Well, the vote this time is extremely gratifying - a tribute to the Bloc continuing to push the bill, the NDP continuing to support it, and the CLC unions (including mine) putting a big push on.

But some of the comments above strike one as silly. The Bloc has always voted unanimously in favour - it's the Bloc's initiative after all. And 47 of the then-governing Liberals and 13 Conservatives voted in favour the last time it was voted on (April 2005).

This is a wonderful result. Hopefully the bill will make it through third reading, despite the hysterical opposition of Harper and his cabinet. And who knows, maybe that will shame the NDP governments in Manitoba and Saskatchewan into finally working up the nerve to emulate Québec and BC in adopting their own anti-scab laws.

Source.


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Steppenwolf Allende
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posted 25 October 2006 09:29 PM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
167 yes. 101 no.

We won.


YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
!!!!!!!

Skookums! Even in these perpetually dark days, a bit of hope shines through!!

Major congrats to all the people across the country who worked tirelessly lobbying and writing and talking with people. It certainly may be a small victory in the bigger picture. But it’s one that has been a long time coming.

It's a great win for working people and for democracy.

[ 25 October 2006: Message edited by: Steppenwolf Allende ]


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Steppenwolf Allende
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posted 25 October 2006 09:31 PM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, I even got sidescroll for the first time and that post.

Now I know what it looks like.

Truly mind-expanding evening this is turning out to be.


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Fidel
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posted 25 October 2006 10:18 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
But some of the comments above strike one as silly. The Bloc has always voted unanimously in favour - it's the Bloc's initiative after all. And 47 of the then-governing Liberals and 13 Conservatives voted in favour the last time it was voted on (April 2005)

The Liberals never did anything on their own without being pushed shoving and kicking, like it was with the CCF and medicare. The provincial liberals were more of a hinderance to implementing the first medicare in Saskatchewan and actually campaigned against it - called it communism and all that if you recall.

Ken Georgetti's Speech, Sept 8 Québec

quote:
And because there are enough New Democrats in the House – and because Quebec led the way almost thirty years ago – we will finally get a national anti-scab law.

Just look at what has happened in the provinces where the NDP has won enough seats to hold the balance of power, form the official opposition or even NDP-led governments.

Look at Manitoba where, thanks to the government of Gary Doer more working women have access to real child care today.

Look at Saskatchewan, where thanks to the governments of Roy Romanow and Lorne Calvert, the cost of postsecondary education has gone down.

Look at what has happened in Nova Scotia since Darryl Dexter became leader of the Opposition and the NDP has won enough seats to hold the balance of power. Suddenly the government is motivated to make auto insurance affordable, and pay attention to the needs of working families – and not just old Conservative or old Liberal families anymore.

Then there’s my home province of British Columbia where the NDP went from a two-seat opposition to a 33-seat opposition last year. Gordon Campbell is a changed man! He’s started to defend the treaty rights of First Nations and Aboriginal peoples. He’s even started talking to unions.

More NDP seats – getting more New Democrats elected – makes all the difference in the world. And our party should never, never apologize for making it a priority to win more seats


[ 25 October 2006: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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posted 25 October 2006 10:22 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Steppenwolf Allende:
Hey, I even got sidescroll for the first time and that post.

Now I know what it looks like.

Truly mind-expanding evening this is turning out to be.


When your mind contracts back down a bit, what exactly is stopping you from editing out the sidescroll?


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posted 25 October 2006 10:46 PM      Profile for ClaudeB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't believe it passed second reading! It's the tenth time this bill has been introduced in the House of Commons by the Bloc (If I'm not mistaken, Duceppe has been the first one to introduce this very bill, back in 1990).
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posted 25 October 2006 11:03 PM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
When your mind contracts back down a bit, what exactly is stopping you from editing out the sidescroll?

There. My mind contracted and so did the margins.


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posted 26 October 2006 12:47 AM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

[ 26 October 2006: Message edited by: sgm ]


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posted 26 October 2006 04:25 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ouroboros:

167 yes. 101 no.

We won.

For the record, this was a CLC lead campaign with many unions taking part.


What the hell? Are you kidding me?

I was so pessimistic! Wow, this is fantastic!


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posted 26 October 2006 04:29 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
And who knows, maybe that will shame the NDP governments in Manitoba and Saskatchewan into finally working up the nerve to emulate Québec and BC in adopting their own anti-scab laws.

Whoa. Are you kidding meII? I guess I just sort of assumed that NDP-run provinces would have this legislation on board, or get it there quick. I mean, hell, even Bob Rae did that here in Ontario, didn't he?

Dude, what's the NDP for if not for labour?


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Dude, what's the NDP for if not for labour?


Yes, the NDP put in place anti-scab law in Canada's largest province, and the conservative party repealed it.

If you listen to certain people, the anti-scab law is the only labour legislation that's ever mattered. The CCF in Saskatchewan was responsible for establishing the most progressive labour standards in Canada several decades ago. But we should give "le Bloc" their due today.

And we should remember that this conservative government has less than 24 percent of the eligible Canadian vote on election day. They're corporate and banking masters won't be pleased.

Mass worker's strikes tend to happen during labour and social democrat governments ie. strikes as a weapon to bring down a socialist government in 1970's Chile under Allende.

Strikes during Labour-led Britain were pointed to as an excuse and impetus for privatization gimmickery during Maggie Thatcher's rein. Solidarnosc?. Lech isn't even a union member anymore.

How large a problem, really, are strikes and scabbing in Canada today under Conservative and Liberal governments in recent times ?.

[ 26 October 2006: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:

Strikes during Labour-led Britain were pointed to as an excuse and impetus for privatization gimmickery during Maggie Thatcher's rein. Solidarnosc?. Lech isn't even a union member anymore.


Ahh...I knew there had to be something in it for them.


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posted 26 October 2006 11:46 AM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What jobs are covered by the federal labour laws? The CLC site says one job in ten, but which ones...
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posted 26 October 2006 02:16 PM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
What jobs are covered by the federal labour laws? The CLC site says one job in ten, but which ones...

The law covers jobs in all federally regulated sectors of the economy.

These include:

-inter-provincial railway and trucking, busses, etc.

-airlines and air cargo

-maritime transports, long shoring and anything to do with seaports

-telecommunications and Internet

-Broadcast media, radio, TV, satellite, etc.

-Federal and territorial governments, agencies and services

-anything to do with international trade, transport, standards, immigration, etc.

-postal and courier services

-any inter-provincial business or trade that doesn’t fall under any specific agreement between provinces


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Steppenwolf Allende
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posted 26 October 2006 02:18 PM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh ya,

Commercial fishing and any resource development in Canadian waters (like yucky off-shore oil drilling, etc.)


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posted 27 October 2006 10:34 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Wow, this is fantastic!


quote:
Originally posted by ouroboros:

167 yes. 101 no.



This bill was moved by the Bloc MP for Gatineau,

and passed despite opposition from eight right-wing Liberals:

Three scattered former ministers, who remember why they didn't do it:
Cullen (Etobicoke North)
Redman (Kitchener Centre)
Simard (Saint Boniface)

One honest Liberal, who knows his brother won't do this in Ontario:
McGuinty (Ottawa South)

A surprising block in Scarborough-Ajax:
McTeague (Pickering—Scarborough East)
Lee (Scarborough—Rouge River)
Holland (Ajax—Pickering)

And one simple right-winger:
Szabo (Mississauga South)

It was supported by a surprising 20 Conservative MPs:

A remarkable block of five from the "blue belt" of east-central Ontario:
Stanton (Simcoe North)
Devolin (Haliburton - Kawartha Lakes)
Norlock (Northumberland—Quinte West)
Kramp (Prince Edward—Hastings)
Brown (Leeds—Grenville)

Three from the Windsor-Sarnia area, which makes sense:
Watson (Essex)
Van Kesteren (Chatham-Kent)
Davidson (Sarnia - Lambton)

Three from the BC Interior:
Harris (Cariboo—Prince George)
Mayes (Okanagan—Shuswap)
Cannan (Kelowna—Lake Country)

Two from the Ottawa area, which makes sense:
Galipeau (Ottawa—Orléans)
Lemieux (Glengarry—Prescott—Russell)

Two from the Vancouver area:
Cummins (Delta - Richmond East)
Grewal (Fleetwood—Port Kells)

One from Waterloo Region:
Goodyear (Cambridge)

One from Niagara Region:
Dykstra (St. Catharines)

One from Quebec City:
Petit (Charlesbourg)

One from Newfoundland:
Manning (Avalon)

and one from Manitoba:
Mark (Dauphin—Swan River)


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posted 29 October 2006 10:43 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The breakdown of the Liberal caucus members on this vote was fascinating:
Give Ignatieff credit; he voted for the anti-scab bill, as did Joe Volpe.

Stephane Dion was absent or abstained. But all 50 Bloc MPs were in the House, as were all 29 NDP MPs, and all but 10 Conservatives. The rash of 23 missing Liberals is a bit obvious. So only 70 of the 101 Liberal MPs voted for the bill.

Scott Brison and Ken Dryden abstained or were absent. So were some who no doubt wanted to vote against it: John McCallum, Maurizio Bevilacqua, Jim Peterson, John McKay (Scarborough Guildwood), and so on.

But Bill Graham voted for it, as did Lucienne Robillard (acting leader and deputy leader). How will the Liberals wiggle out of this vote?


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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:

Stephane Dion was absent or abstained.

Scott Brison and Ken Dryden abstained or were absent.


Brison was back in his riding, or so his office said. I heard Dion wasn't in Ottawa either. Dryden was in Ottawa but I don't think he was in the house.


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