Even more bizarre this lunatic brags about it in a posting on an anti-semetic website:

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On February 1st, at approximately 7:30 p.m., I attempted to get a confession out of the "Pope of the Holocaust religion," Elie Wiesel. We were in an elevator in the Argent Hotel in San Francisco. He was on his way to the 36th floor Penthouse. I had planned to bring Wiesel to my hotel room where he would truthfully answer my questions regarding the fact that his non-fiction Holocaust memoir, Night, is almost entirely fictitious.

After ensuring no women would be traumatized by what I had to do (I had been trailing Wiesel for weeks), I stopped the elevator at the sixth floor. I pulled Wiesel out of the elevator. I said I wanted to interview him. He protested, grabbed at his chest as if he was having a heart attack. He then screamed HELP! HELP! at the top of his lungs. This is someone who in his public appearances, speaks so softly, that when he appeared on Oprah, they had to use subtitles throughout. Wiesel had dropped this phony persona and assumed his actual personality, of an insane lunatic.

I told him, "Why, you don't want people to know the truth?" His expression changed, and he began screaming again. HELP! HELP! So, after pulling him about fifteen feet out of the elevator, alerting a few floors, I decided that it was time for me to go. He was no use to our worldwide struggle for freedom if he had a heart attack. I fled from the scene, confident that the police would arrive soon and search the city looking for the insane person who attempted to forcefully interrogate a poor old "Holocaust Survivor", Nobel Peace Prize Winner, and most recently, "knight of the British Empire."

I had planned on either: getting Wiesel into my custody, with a cornered Wiesel finally forced to state the truth on videotape, getting arrested, or fleeing, and either way, exposing the "Pope of the Holocaust religion" for being nothing but a genocidal liar. However, a funny thing happened, Wiesel apparently never called the police.

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I'm not posting a link to the website b/c of its offensive content.

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I had been trailing Wiesel for weeks

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I told him, "Why, you don't want people to know the truth?" ...I fled from the scene, confident that the police would arrive soon and search the city looking for the insane person who attempted to forcefully interrogate a poor old "Holocaust Survivor".

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[QUOTE] Like the criminal he is, Wiesel knew not to call the police. Because he should be in prison for the multiple counts of perjury he has committed under oath which has put innocent and honorable Germans through misery and death. Calling the police would expose him and his tribe once and for all for creating the myth of "The Holocaust" as the President of Iran has rightfully pointed out.

Eric Hunt

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Here's the Link to the rest of what Hunt wrote.
Beware it's very offensive and the site is crawling with white supremicists.

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Heres the Link he emailed this to.read post 14.

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The best thing you can do with this garbage "Hunt" is expose him and all his scum that associate with him.

Just another David Duke wannabe

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[ 10 February 2007: Message edited by: oldgoat ]

It's what he wrote,why sanitize it.
Were all intelligent enough to see through this crap.

You should read the comments coming from the Link.I spared us that.

Quote from link/forum.

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The only thing I can vouch for is that, this morning, this guy emailed me and one other white activist before anyone else had it -- not that website in Australia they took down or anyone else -- and that was before it was in the press for anyone to take credit for.

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With all due respect, I would shut up about it! (With regards to e-mails etc) ZoG may claim that you had pryor knowledge and didn't report a possible kidnapping, attempted murder of this known liar -God only knows how they will spin this. You can bet the holocuast industry will milk this for all it's worth.

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[ 10 February 2007: Message edited by: Centerfield ]

Yes, we should know that this stuff exists, but posting full length extracts like that is egregious and offensive. Sometimes babblers link to some pretty bad stuff for illustrative reasons, but do so with appropriate warning and disclaimers.

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Originally posted by oldgoat:
Well I think you should.

Yes, we should know that this stuff exists, but posting full length extracts like that is egregious and offensive. Sometimes babblers link to some pretty bad stuff for illustrative reasons, but do so with appropriate warning and disclaimers.

Please edit it out.

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[ 10 February 2007: Message edited by: minkepants ]

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Originally posted by minkepants:
But i find it just as bothersome to see the reflexive tendency to run home and tell mommy everytime one disagrees with another post. No discussion, just edicts, and a delight at the opportunity to cordon off yet another area of forbidden speech. But it's a democracy here. What do others think?

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If you don't like the banning of Nazi excrement from babble (and apparently you don't), the proper forum to spout your opinions is not "international news and politics".

That's assuming you have any real interest whatsoever in discussion of any kind - a rather generous assumption, given your posts from day one.

As for your provocative "tell mommy" comment, that's how we avoid "fuck-you" matches with someone who is posting inappropriately - we caution them politely and then advise the moderator(s). I know, it's civilized, and perhaps unfamiliar, but we like it that way.

{quart o' homo milk, that was actually pretty funny, but in fairness I couldn't leave that link and remove the others}... oldgoat)

Nice to see that racist scientists are using the word "cock", which is of course the approriate technical term when discussing anatomy. Always sure to increase the credibility of your experiment.

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Personally, I would have alluded to the commentary, mentioned how disgusting it is, and left a link for those curious or skeptical. I do find it lame people go crying to Michelle whenever there's a post they don't like.

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My above comment goes for you too. If you have a problem with the moderator being advised when a poster refuses to delete Nazi excrement (as Centrefield did - and he still has not done so), then I'm sure there are other forums where you can absorb such stuff to your heart's content.

These sites test my tolerance for free speech. But in order to fight hate, it must be known and then exposed. It certainly served as a wake-up call for me to be reminded that there are not only hateful - but also dangerous - individuals out there.

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Originally posted by John K:
I'm kind of with minkepants on this one. The two sites centrefield linked to (with appropriate warnings) were educational in this sense.

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When I was around 14 or so, in a spout of rebellion, I went to my library to pick up a copy of Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto and Lolita (And for those curious, no, I wasn't morally equivocating). None of these were available. You would have fit in well as a director of that library.

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Originally posted by minkepants:
You issued an order and a rebuke.

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No, only in your mind.

First I said:

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Centrefield, I'd appreciate if you would please edit out all that Nazi stuff from your post.

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Centrefield, I'm asking you a second time to please delete that Nazi propaganda from your post(s).

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Every single word of the Nazi diatribe must be deleted.

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Centrefield provided the links to the more overtly hateful neo-Nazi sites. Hunt was obviously so full of himself over his Wiesel caper that he posted to multiple hate sites.

But I defend Centrefield's right to provide links to the neo-Nazi sites with appropriate warnings. I sure found them an eye opener.

[ 10 February 2007: Message edited by: Stephen Gordon ]

i think this is exactly the kind of philospohical conversation appropriate to a site like babble. However, one has to be hyper vigilant in this territory. I've seen posters on other sites who start off saying something mildly positive about the Autobahn on page one of a thread, and by page five are posting links to crap like we see above, or worse.

And i'd still like to see an explanation, or barring that, an apology regarding the statement that several of the posters here are not offended by this material.

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Originally posted by unionist:
Just to be very clear: I am revolted by the fact that there should be a "debate" as to whether Nazi anti-Jewish white supremacist excrement should be quoted, or linked, on babble. Centrefield refuses to delete this excrement, and now his defenders rise up. I am not going to participate in this "debate" any further, and I ask some of the normally clear-thinking posters in this thread to think over what they are saying.

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I haven't refused to delete the Links.

I will if the moderators ask me to.But how else can we expose scum like Hunt if we can't tell the full story.
He beat up this helpless 78 year old man then bragged about to all his white supremacist buddies on the net.It's an important story that ohara began and I was just following up on her lead.Some posters were offended that I posted the full details of his letter here and I apologize for that.But showing where this scum came from and what led him to create this crime is important as well as interesting to many Babblers.
I didn't write the letter or have anything to do with the crime,I just gathered the Info and let my fellow Babblers make there own decisions.

Oldgoat asked me to clean up my original post so as not to be offensive to some,so I did.
He's the MODERATOR,he's has that right.

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eta: Could you at *least* change your posts so that there aren't any direct links? If anyone is really curious, they can cut-and-paste the URLs into their browsers.

The last thing we need is some neo-nazi to check his stats, see traffic from here, and alert his buddies for a particularly nasty troll invasion.

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Ok, I've been in and out and hadn't had a chance to look too closely at the matter, but now I've checked out the links. I realise my previous post suggested it might be alright to post links as long as you didn't make lengthy quotes, but we really don't need that shit here, any more than the moderators would tolerate links to child pornography.

The links are gone.

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Originally posted by Stephen Gordon:
What earthly purpose is there to posting links to neo-Nazi sites here? To show us that there are crazy scary people out there on the internet? We knew that already, thankyouverymuch.

eta: Could you at *least* change your posts so that there aren't any direct links? If anyone is really curious, they can cut-and-paste the URLs into their browsers.

The last thing we need is some neo-nazi to check his stats, see traffic from here, and alert his buddies for a particularly nasty troll invasion.

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quart o' homo milk, that was actually pretty funny, but in fairness I couldn't leave that link and remove the others... oldgoat

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
What I don't get is why some people would be squeamish about posting a link to an anti-semitic website, and yet have no qualms about re-posting the content of the anti-semitic website.

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Only adding truth to the statement of the Iranian President in his summizing that Zionist use the Holocaust as a cloak for their defence of Israeli apartheid.

You are an embarrasment.

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Originally posted by Centerfield:
If Michelle thinks I should I will.

It's what he wrote,why sanitize it.
Were all intelligent enough to see through this crap.

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My, what an interesting and fragrant band of merry men come out on occasions like this!

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Cueball have you no shame? Elie Wiesel was attacked for being a Jewish Holocaust survivor by a neo-Nazi. Can you not put aside your reverence for Ahmadinijad and your disdain for Israel to see through your fog...even for this?

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It was not a gross manipulation. It was a discreet and nuanced manipulation. It was a "one pinky over the line to see where it goes" manipulation. 'k?

ohara, you are at some risk of overplaying your hand. Updates as to the gentleman's health would be more apropos. Likewise, comments as to the state of the whako right white supremists in the US.

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A devoted supporter of Israel, Elie Wiesel has also defended the cause of Soviet Jews, Nicaragua's Miskito Indians, Argentina's Desaparecidos, Cambodian refugees, the Kurds, victims of famine and genocide in Africa, of apartheid in South Africa, and victims of war in the former Yugoslavia. For more than ten years, Elie and his wife Marion have been especially devoted to the cause of Ethiopian-born Israeli youth through the Foundation's Beit Tzipora Centers for Study and Enrichment.

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Cueball, before this turns into another you know, a "mideast thread", that we moderators just freakin' LIVE FOR, let me correct you.

It was not a gross manipulation. It was a discreet and nuanced manipulation. It was a "one pinky over the line to see where it goes" manipulation. 'k?

ohara, you are at some risk of overplaying your hand. Updates as to the gentleman's health would be more apropos. Likewise, comments as to the state of the whako right white supremists in the US.

Legless-Marine: Indeed. Heaven forfend us.

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Well since we are at it, I would like to know why Ohara can call FM "Hallucinagenic" and Petsy can characterize Sidra as "raving" but Sidra gets chastized for making personal attacks against Houseover here, and not a word is said to either.

Now of course Ohara can go off about me adoring Amedinejad or what.

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Wow. Good one. Good thing none of the mods saw it. Oh, yeah, they did.

[ 10 February 2007: Message edited by: minkepants ]

Gee. I just told him to fuck off out of nowhere, not after he falsely associated me with things I have never said?

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Cueball have you no shame? Elie Wiesel was attacked for being a Jewish Holocaust survivor by a neo-Nazi. Can you not put aside your reverence for Ahmadinijad and your disdain for Israel to see through your fog...even for this?

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I know accuracy is not your strong point, but perhaps when you see someone tell someone else to go fcuk themselves, you might look at what they are responding too. So in fact, I am responding to being called an acolyte of Amedinejad in the context of Ohara calling Amedinejad an antisemite.

Hence the implication is that I am an antisemite.

This type of blanket smear totally deserves a "fuck off."

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And so it goes....ati-Semitism continues; Holocaust survivors are acosted in elevators, a world leader promotes denial of the mass murder of Jews; darkness still descends

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Gross manipulation. You can't just help politcizing these events so that you can tie it in with your Zionist cheese vis Iran, and turn it into Israeli propoganda, when for once everyone is on side.
Only adding truth to the statement of the Iranian President in his summizing that Zionist use the Holocaust as a cloak for their defence of Israeli apartheid.

You are an embarrasment.

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So, Cueball: incorrect. Ohara, who started this thread, so i find it difficult to see how he "threadjacked" it, wrote a post which didn't say word one about israel, or Palestine. If it had i could see your point. Ohara despaired of a holocaust survivor being accosted and an international leader denying the holocaust. The linkage isn't a stretch, whether that leader's name is Mahmoud or Haider, you dig? YOU expanded it into a conversation about Israel and Zionism. Hell, we just had a 80 post thread outlining how all signs show that even his own government thinks Mahmoud's an idiot, and he's probably days or weeks from being deposed by his own mullahs. So he don't necessarily equal Iran.

oldgoat's welcome to his opinion, but YOU were the one who flipped out for no reason. There was NO accusation that you specifically were anti-semitic.

And as far as my comment goes, it's more about how this board likes to talk a good game of certain basic levels of decorum.

But they don't exist

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However, his defence was to smear me by saying:

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Cueball have you no shame? Elie Wiesel was attacked for being a Jewish Holocaust survivor by a neo-Nazi. Can you not put aside your reverence for Ahmadinijad and your disdain for Israel to see through your fog...even for this?

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He could have said "you're defending Mahmoud," which you are in his capacity as a symbolic icon of Iran, although O'hara's critique of him revolved around his statements as a reprehensible anti-semitic pig, which he is. Therefore, YOu expanded the argumentinto a discussion of the defence of Iran, and then, when called on your behaviour, seeked to annul your own rhetorical conceit by saying "ah hah! you're calling me an anti-semite!"

An interesting piece of logical peek-a-boo to be sure. Aces high! Now low! Now high again! Cueball wins!

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I didn't impugn his character by lumping him in as an acolyte of disreputable persons, I said he was an "embarrasement." There is a difference between that and impugning my characher by lumping me in with the people who attacked Eli Wiesel.

I am sorry if you can't see the distinction.

It got nothing to do with who brought up Israel first, in my opinion it was Ohara, but I certainly didn't suggest that he was an anti-Arab racists because of his stance or whatever. He went there and not I.

You can't seem to keep these things seperate:

The initial discussion about he infering a relationship between this guy Hunt and Amedinejad, and the manner in which he then converted that into an accusation about my charachter.

The latter is what I am calling him on now.

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No. Sorry, you entered into this discussion inquiring about my use of the phrase "fuck off." That is the entire point of your first post on this thread. Again, may be wrong about Ohara derailing the thread, and you are entitled to your opinion on that, but I responded to Ohara's personal attack, impugning my character, not my arguement.
I didn't impugn his character by lumping him in as an acolyte of disreputable persons, I said he was a disgrace. There is a difference between that and impugning my characher by lumping me in with the people who attacked Eli Wiesel.

I am sorry if you can't see the distinction.

It got nothing to do with who brought up Israel first, in my opinion it was Ohara, but I certainly didn't suggest that he was an anti-Arab racists because of his stance or whatever. He went there and not I.

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Ummm... I posted five posts before you jumped in and dumped on the person who started the thread. So your rebuttal is erroneous from the get go.

There is no usage of the word Israel, nor reference to the Palestinian question, by ohara, prior to your rant about Zionism, etc. It's not a matter of opinion. There's nothing there to demonstrate it, so you deflect by saying it's a matter of opinion, which it is not. The whole thread's a thousand words, we're not looking for subtext in King Lear or Karamazov.

You came in, ranting about how he was an agent of Zionism simply for speaking mahmoud's name. He said you were enamoured of mahmoud, in response to your own post. You brought up Mahmoud in the context of Iran and Israel rather than narrowly, in reference to his anti-semitic remarks, and he responded to your defence, in the context of your own remarks, after which his remark flowed. Again, this is not a matter of opinion. But keep trying. It's funny to watch you try. I'd say, you probably could try name calling next, or perhaps you might tell me to fuck off, being as it is, the height of wit.

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Your intial dispute with me was, in the nature of my use of the phrase "fuck off" in response to being smeared. I am absolutely fine, telling people who deliberately mistrepresent what I say and what I have said to fuck off.

At no point on any thread have I ever expressed "reverence" for Amedinejad, nothing even close. That is a bold faced lie, and he knows it.

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Oh, and if you check on dictionary.com, prevaricate means to stray from the point, so your sentence is nonsense in as much as to "prevaricate on point" would be to stray from the point while remaining on it, I think, that is, I infer, because you're using the word improperly in a self-contradictory sentence.

But I wouldn't sweat it. There'll be no consequences for you repeating your F.O. because that's not how it works here, anymore than there will be any consequences for another poster making the subtle-as-a-flying-brick suggestion that three of her fellow posters must be nazi sympathizers. But it's not cliquey, really, it's not like junior high school at all.

O Brave New World! Ya gotta love the left. So much self-importance, so little self-reflection. How dare anyone dare to mock! We're verrrrry serious.

Ya gotta laugh.

[ 11 February 2007: Message edited by: minkepants ]