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Topic: John Ashcroft: "I'm willing to be waterboarded"
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oldgoat
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posted 28 November 2007 10:19 AM
So he says in a speech on national security at the University of Colorado. quote:
During the speech, Ashcroft caused an uproar when he declared Guantanamo Bay was a “good place” for detainees. In addition, he defended the torture tactic of waterboarding:
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Ashcroft also responded to questions from the audience. The first question came from a woman who asked if Ashcroft would be willing to be subjected to waterboarding.“The things that I can survive, if it were necessary to do them to me, I would do,” he said. Ashcroft apparently believes that torture should be allowed as long as it doesn’t kill him.
So the standard set by the former US Attorney General is that it isn't torture if it doesn't kill you. The article also notes that after WW II Japanese officials were prosecuted for torture for using this practice. I wonder how long the list will be of persons Bush gives blanket pardons to just before leaving office.
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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 28 November 2007 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by oldgoat:
So he says in a speech on national security at the University of Colorado. So the standard set by the former US Attorney General is that it isn't torture if it doesn't kill you. The article also notes that after WW II Japanese officials were prosecuted for torture for using this practice. I wonder how long the list will be of persons Bush gives blanket pardons to just before leaving office.
Send him my way...
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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 29 November 2007 06:45 AM
That brings up an interesting question: wouldn't extreme S&M play count as "voluntary torture?" Is it the lack of consent that makes it torture? So that, if Ashcroft is consenting, he's not really talking about torture. Rather, he's just a sub waiting for a Dom to show him who's boss with a waterboard? Just musing. [ 29 November 2007: Message edited by: B.L. Zeebub LLD ]
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Sven
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posted 29 November 2007 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by B.L. Zeebub LLD:
That brings up an interesting question: wouldn't extreme S&M play count as "voluntary torture?" Is it the lack of consent that makes it torture? So that, if Ashcroft is consenting, he's not really talking about torture. Rather, he's just a sub waiting for a Dom to show him who's boss with a waterboard? Just musing.
Well said!! 
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