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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 11 September 2008 05:33 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On April 12, 1980, Terry Fox, a photogenic sprinter with one leg, set out on his marathon of hope, and became a media darling. Runs held in his honor, have raised millions for Cancer research and inspired people all over the world. It should be pointed out, however, that if Terry had been poor, mishapen and of Cree dissident. He wouldn't have received so much media coverage, no one would have been inspired and Terry Fox runs wouldn't be a global phenomenon. The worship of Terry began with racism.
Then there is the ablest component of this exercise.
Terry Fox was in enormous amounts of pain while he was running. If he had chosen to forgo that pain, and fight for a cure for cancer from behind a desk, no one would've cared. The media loves martyrs. If people with disabilities don't suffer, (preferably in some grueling athletic event,) no one notices. We embrace Terry Fox, not because he was struggling to find a cure for cancer, but because he engaged in a masochistic act while doing it.

28 years on, and what has been the impact of the marathon for hope? Cancer is still with us,
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governments are still focusing on treatment for the disease rather than prevention.
Fox has been deified by our society, but not in a way that benefits the physically and mentally challenged. Instead of being considered incapable of doing anything, we are now considered by many people to be capable of anything,(I know you are a double aputee with an oxegen pump in your neck, but if you push yourself, just like Terry did, you too can conduct mine sweeping operations in Bosnia!) with many average Canadians forgetting the simple fact that not all people with disabilities have the ability or desire to be Terry Fox. We are still denied the opportunity to be ourselves.

Thanks a lot, Mr. Fox

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posted 12 September 2008 12:50 AM      Profile for WendyL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well said, CMOT. Hope, as I have come to see it, is a concept that serves the status quo and with respect to cancer keeps the ball in the court of "research for a cure" rather than in the court of prevention. Your post is very thought-provoking for me.
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posted 12 September 2008 02:44 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, not to mention that the main focus of cancer organizations is looking for a cure (and hey, that would be a good thing to find) and scolding people for individual failings that lead to cancer, and completely ignoring environmental factors that contribute so much more.

I don't like second-hand smoke any more than the next person and I'm glad that smoking has been banned from many public places. But can you imagine what would happen if the Cancer Society put their millions and millions of dollars into publicity campaigns that drew a direct link from pollution to cancer? I'm going to bet that air pollution and water pollution and the shit we do to our food has more impact on cancer rates than individual smokers do.


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posted 12 September 2008 05:18 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CMOT, I was a teenager in 1980 and participated in several "Run for Terry!" fundraisers for cancer research. I bought the entire narrative, the lone individual fighting against all odds for change. Even if it cost him his life! (tm) The lone individual has to be male, white and middle class, and the lone individual is "universal". And photogenic.

The more cynical would say that there are people who make very good livings working for the "illness" charities, schmoozing with high society at glam fundraisers. The Marathon of Hope did nothing to dislodge this myth, working it from the other side, non-glam, but still lodged in the mystical "cure".

Then there's the whole "believe it and you can do anything" mind set which is just icky, to say the least. So, what, if someone dies of cancer they just didn't believe enough? Bullshit.

Your post has helped me to get a few levels deeper. Thank you.


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Thnk you for this, CMOT. I have searched in vain for years, on the internet and elsewhere, for a leftist - or even "progressive" - critique of the Terry Fox™ industry. You are the first to provide that kind of analysis.

Even babble has not had such a discussion before. Many babblers unwittingly contributed to the mythologizing and exploitation of Terry Fox back when the Greatest Canadian campaign was on.

The drive to privatize medical research certainly gets a boost from the annual "runs". The reinforcement of the idea that medical breakthroughs depend on our charity, rather than our determination as a society to devote our collective resources towards helping humanity, is a natural by-product of the Tery Fox™ industry.

Of course, if "we" ever do find a cure for cancer, it won't belong to "us", but to the private interests doing the research. The National Cancer Institute, which uses the Terry Fox money to provide research grants, says in its policies that it "does not wish to own or have a vested interest in Intellectual Property (IP) which may emanate from any of the research projects it is supporting."

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posted 12 September 2008 01:06 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Then there's the whole "believe it and you can do anything" mind set which is just icky, to say the least. So, what, if someone dies of cancer they just didn't believe enough? Bullshit.


Able Bodied person: You can be the most indipendant person on Earth!

Me: Great! Can I independantly decide to stay at home and play Baldur's Gate while eating Pringles?

Able Bodied Person: No.

Me: Oh.

We can be indipendantly minded, but Normies often have the final say as to whether the decisions we make are "good"

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posted 12 September 2008 01:13 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One good thing that the Cancer Society does do, I have to say, having had a family member who relied on it, is non-medical support for cancer patients. So, for instance, when my family member had lymphoma and had to travel to another city for treatment, either the Cancer Society or some group funded by them (can't remember which) organized carpools or rides, put the patients up in a residence where they could stay overnight if their treatment was first thing in the morning, or too late in the afternoon for them to recover to drive home, etc.

However...the argument can still be made that these things should be publicly provided, not funded by "charity".

And yes, I have a huge problem with charity money being raised to fund medical research, which should be a public good, but which will likely just make pharma companies rich when treatments are discovered.


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posted 12 September 2008 07:06 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's remember to keep the Cancer Society and the Cancer Institute separate in our minds.

The Society does not handle Terry Fox money. That goes to the Institute.

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The first annual Terry Fox Run in 1981 was organized in conjunction with the Canadian Cancer Society. In 1988, The Terry Fox Foundation became a Trust, independent of the Canadian Cancer Society, and received tax-exempt charitable status under the Income Tax Act. All money raised by the Foundation is distributed through the National Cancer Institute of Canada.
Source

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posted 12 September 2008 07:35 PM      Profile for Sarcastro   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Terry Fox - Phony Martyr Hero of Racists

I can add nothing to that but shame for once being inspired by him as a young lad. Shame on us all. All that running for LIES !!!!! Arrgh!


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posted 12 September 2008 09:57 PM      Profile for Polly Brandybuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ever get those forehead slap moments? My kids have been running in Fox Runs for years, and I have always donated some money and encouraged them and assumed we were doing good and, frankly, forgot about them in between times. I remember being part of the warm fuzzy band of supporters when Terry was running, and it never occurred to me to think how absurd the whole thing was.

Thanks CMOT, keep on making me think.


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posted 13 September 2008 07:02 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sarcastro:
Terry Fox - Phony Martyr Hero of Racists

I can add nothing to that but shame for once being inspired by him as a young lad. Shame on us all. All that running for LIES !!!!! Arrgh!


He wasn't a phoney martyr, he was a real martyr, the question is why do disabled people have to be martyrs in order to get themselves noticed? Lots of gimps toyle for many disability related causes( Prevention of sexual abuse, decent job programs, the right to sex etc) and never get recognized. But a disabled man crucifies himself on aschvault and he automatically gets the adoration of millions. It's not fair.

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posted 13 September 2008 07:43 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
Then there's the whole "believe it and you can do anything" mind set which is just icky, to say the least. So, what, if someone dies of cancer they just didn't believe enough? Bullshit.

What, you don't believe in The Secret???


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posted 13 September 2008 08:30 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It should also be recognized that events like the marathon for hope and the man in motion tour are about fixing people with disabilities, and not actually dealing with the problems we face on a day to day basis. Rick Hansen didn't wheel across the country in order to make Toronto accessible for all its citizens, he did it in order to find a way to make disabilities disappear. That doesn't assist the man who is about to get fired, because there isn't decent public transit where he lives, or the woman with downs syndrome who is being abused by her caregivers, or the people who can't get into their outreach clinic without assistance because it dosen't have a ramp, or the autistic nine year old who is struggling in school because he or she can't get adequette support or...

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posted 13 September 2008 03:16 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Thnk you for this, CMOT. I have searched in vain for years, on the internet and elsewhere, for a leftist - or even "progressive" - critique of the Terry Fox™ industry. You are the first to provide that kind of analysis.

Surely not. There's probably been at least one article in Abilities magazine.


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posted 13 September 2008 03:18 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd love to see such an article, if it's available online.
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posted 13 September 2008 08:42 PM      Profile for terryfoxishero        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have come to expect totally insane opinions and comment from the extreme left wing community that rabble caters to. This post however shocks and angers me beyond belief. Not only can I not believe that anyone can not be inspired by Terry Fox, to come out of nowhere and play the race card is despicable.

"On April 12, 1980, Terry Fox, a photogenic sprinter with one leg"

How was he so "photogenic?" I don't recall any talking about his fabulous looks.

" t should be pointed out, however, that if Terry had been poor, mishapen and of Cree dissident."

Says who? If he was Cree, or from any other ethic group , I would not have been any less inspired by him. If I were you, I would be very careful with calls of racism since your post is borderline racist and there is plenty of racist sentiment on this site.

"Terry Fox was in enormous amounts of pain while he was running. If he had chosen to forgo that pain, and fight for a cure for cancer from behind a desk, no one would've cared."

Shocking!!! If Terry did something that was comparatively speaking easy and normal he would not be recognized as much as if he did something extremely hard and extraordinary! Should we give special recognition to all 7 billion people on the planet.

"We embrace Terry Fox, not because he was struggling to find a cure for cancer, but because he engaged in a masochistic act while doing it."

No, we embrace Terry Fox because he put other people's problems and lives before his own. I know this is a hard concept for the extreme left since your values are generally selfish and "me first."

"28 years on, and what has been the impact of the marathon for hope? Cancer is still with us"

So the fact that a cure has not been found is Terry's fault? Also, just because a cure has not been found, does not mean major progress has not been had. Look at the life expectancy and survival rates of various forms of cancer in 1980 compared to now. There has been huge progress in this area.

"governments are still focusing on treatment for the disease rather than prevention."

So in all cases, it is the cancer victims fault that they got cancer? Even in cases where it is the victims choices that caused the cancer (ie smoking), that is not a serious enough offense to deserve a death sentence of cancer. Your statement is completely heartless. Yes we need to focus on prevention but we also need a cure.


"Fox has been deified by our society, but not in a way that benefits the physically and mentally challenged. Instead of being considered incapable of doing anything, we are now considered by many people to be capable of anything,(I know you are a double aputee with an oxegen pump in your neck, but if you push yourself, just like Terry did, you too can conduct mine sweeping operations in Bosnia!) with many average Canadians forgetting the simple fact that not all people with disabilities have the ability or desire to be Terry Fox."

This is completely ludicrous. Just because Terry Fox was disabled and did what he did does not make society believe all disabled people should be able to do something similar. Very few 100% healthy people with no physical disabilities could do what Terry did. Does society think all people with ALS should be a physicist like Stephen Hawking, or all Canadian males with no physical disabilities to be like Gretzky?

"Thanks a lot, Mr. Fox"

Yes, thanks a lot. You made this world a much better place.


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Signing up to babble for the express purpose of hurling insults at babblers, babble and rabble is against our policy agreement.

Bye!


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posted 14 September 2008 05:22 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is an interesting academic take on it.

A number of things get mythologised about Fox:

- He didn't get media attention until towards the Quebec-Ontario border.

- The film with Robert Duvall showed him as short-tempered, egocentric, impatient, and verging on the suicidal at times.

- The Canadian Cancer Society didn't want to fund his run. They told him to go get seed money and corporate sponsors.

- Part of the "Terry Fox myth" is down to him dying young. Look at what happened to Steve Fonyo -- same accomplishments, but not living up to what was "expected" of him as a role model.

When you scrape everything else away, Terry Fox was someone who was sporty before his cancer (junior varsity at SFU) and wanted to be sporty after his amputation. Blaming Terry Fox for "people with disabilities being denied the opportunity to be ourselves" is a reach. If I die tomorrow, I'm not in control of my hagiography. Blame the Terry Fox industry, not Fox.

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posted 14 September 2008 11:29 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Blaming Terry Fox for "people with disabilities being denied the opportunity to be ourselves" is a reach. If I die tomorrow, I'm not in control of my hagiography. Blame the Terry Fox industry, not Fox.

Very true. I just get pissed off at North America's obssesion with disabled Jocks. Gimpy thinkers, nerds and artists get no coverage at all in the mainstream press, unless of course, we count Stephan Hawking, but it's only a very small minority who can even come close to being as brilliant as he is, wheather you have a disability or not.

What we end up with are two extremes with society constantly expecting us to live up to the example of role models that a lot of us can't identify with.

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posted 14 September 2008 11:34 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
This is an interesting academic take on it.

Thanks, W.W. From that link:
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The selective coverage of disability has led to the creation of "heroes by hype." The power of the media in manipulating public response is seen in the media coverage of the disabled marathoners who in the 1980s were a uniquely Canadian phenomenon (Graham, 1987). While many marathoners crossed Canada for causes, it was only the young, attractive men with dramatic visual disabilities (Fox, Fonyo, and Hansen) who received orchestrated backing and media coverage. Promoters and handlers "packaged" the young man and directed the programs and publicity en route. A star was created. Increased coverage pressured corporations and politicians to be seen giving generously to the hero's cause. An exception was the W5 program (CTV, 1987), which presented the misgivings held by disabled people themselves about what "disabled as superstar" portrays to the public.

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I'm new here and don't want to get off on the wrong foot but I found some of teh views expressed here really frustrating. I actually ran in a Terry Fox run this apst weekend as I ahve several times before and think it's a great event honouring a great man and supporting a great cause.

I find nothing REMOTELY "racist" about it. I mean, if I tried really ahrd, I think I'd still be ahrd-pressed to maintain the intellectual contortions necessary to consider teh celebration of terry Fox as rooted in racism. That he happens to be white jsut means that he happens to be white. I actually ahve no doubt that if he WERE Cree or any other abckground he would get jsut as much respect and admiration.

As for the idea of it promoting notions that those with physical disabilities need to aspire to reach his level, etc. of course it's not. The whole reason we celebrate what he did is not becasue everyone should do it but because virtually nobody else COULD do it, able-bodied or with a physical challenge. Hell, I'm in pretty good physical shape and there's no way in hell I could run a marathon any time soon, let alone running a marathon every day for week after week. When you really stop and think about what he did, it's incredible and I'm glad he can constinue to inspire and have an impact so many years after his death. he's the greatest Canadian in my opinion.


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Barbara Ehrenreich, Pathologies of Hope
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hate hope. It was hammered into me constantly a few years ago when I was being treated for breast cancer: Think positively! Don't lose hope! Wear your pink ribbon with pride! A couple of years later, I was alarmed to discover that the facility where I received my follow-up care was called the Hope Center. Hope? What about a cure? At antiwar and labor rallies over the years, I have dutifully joined Jesse Jackson in chanting "Keep hope alive!" -- all the while crossing my fingers and thinking, "Fuck hope. Keep us alive."

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OF COURSE the msot important thing is finding a cure. But terry Fox isn't personally responsible for us not ahving one yet. If and when we do cure cancer it will be because of groundbreaking research that costs billions of dollars and that receives quite a boost from the Terry Fox runs.
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SSC, no one is blaming Terry Fox for anything, and you shouldn't feel targeted by CMOT's criticism. What CMOT and others are offering is a critique of the communal myths that certain cancer groups encourage us to buy into. This means a white-supremacist myth (which simply means that the public values Fox's achievements more because he was white, it does not mean that Fox is a racist--you should peruse the anti-racism forum for more information about white-supremacist North America) and it means we value Fox because he embodies the essence of the capitalist lie: that even the most hard done by can achieve everything they want if they put their mind to it. Meanwhile, the poor and disabled do not have the benefits and help they need, but we don't have to supply them, because we have bought the lie of 'hope'.

Read what Michelle has written: even though one in four people will get cancer in our lifetimes, (this data is on the Canadian Lung Association website), Cancer associations like the Lung Ass maintain their 'blame the victim' mantra: don't smoke, exercise, eat right, etc. While completely neglecting to leverage the main polluters who are the main contributors to the increasing cancer rate. Why is that? CMOT is critiquing this social practise and how the Terry Fox narrative contributes to it. Sounds fair to me...


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Oh, i completely agree on the need to get tough on pollution which contributes to so many different health problems. All of the public policy notions talked about in the thread, I think are bang-on. And I realzie that nobody was accusing Fox, himself, of being a racist. I jsut really don't buy into the notion that the mythology around him is "white supremacist". He's being honoured for what he did and, again, there's really no doubt in my mind that if he were of any other ethnic background, the mythology would be exactly the same.
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What makes you think that? What makes you think that if Terry Fox wasn't so photogenic, if his disability was less consonant with contemporary beauty standards, his story would be just as popular in the Canadian public consciousness? And why do we need 'heroes' anyway? Why shouldn't the plight of disabled people across the country capture our interest more than one man's? Why, as WW points out and CMOT hypothesizes, did Fox have to die to punctuate his myth properly? It's a matter of questioning our assumptions about this story and what such a story motivates us to do.
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Well, I mean I hate to look at someone's (a real person's) death through some sort of literary lense, but in terms of "why did he ahve to die?", I actually do think his death was important to the mythology and symbolism. First, obviously, it underscores teh serious, fatal nature of cancer and why finding a cure is so important. because young men and women in teh primes of tehir lives like Fox was are killed by it. Secondly, the fact that he died and did his marathon knowing that he was going to die underscores the more "selfless" aspect of his story. He knew he wasn't going to find a cure for cancer in times to save HIS life. He was doing it to help the people who came after him, a sort of enduring elgacy. rather than jsut accept that nothing could be done and it was too alte for him, he gave that gift to the rest of the world.

And, again, not to harp on the race thing and maybe some people ehre jsut are more attuned to racial issues than I am or experience it more directly. Though, I'm currently in teh states in a pretty segregated city in a state with a long history of racial animosity and it really brought home the relative racial harmony that exists in Canada. Honestly, until i read the first post in this thread, it never even occured to me that tehre was any sort of racial element to the terry Fox mythology. That he was white seemed no more significant than whether he was right-handed or left-handed. And I honestly DO beleive that were he any otehr colour, his story would ahve proved jsut as inspiring.

And as to his physical appearance being "attractive", I mean, that's anotehr thing that never really occurred to me. Fox certainly isn't someone I'd describe as "ugly" but he enver stood out in my mind as being particualrly movie star handsome eitehr, jsut a pretty average, normal guy who did something extraordinary.


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posted 16 September 2008 10:12 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A lot of things "never occur" to us white, able-bodied people but frequently occur to the disabled and the racially marginalized, because they experience life differently. Their perceptions are valuable to us for exactly that reason.

There was a time, for example, when every person on TV commercials was white. It "never occurred" to us that this would alienate non-whites. But it did and it still does, even after the commercial makers decided to include some racial minority representatives.


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Why, as WW points out and CMOT hypothesizes, did Fox have to die to punctuate his myth properly? It's a matter of questioning our assumptions about this story and what such a story motivates us to do.

I shouldn't have used the word martyr(although with all the coverage that happens when a doctor helps a gimp die, there's no denying that there is a element of martyrdom in the way our society looks at disability). We don't necessarily have to die, but we do have to suffer. Rick Hansen didn't kill himself on the man in motion tour, but he drove himself like a cart horse.
In many situations, people don't look to us to emulate Christ, so much as they expect us to endure the trials of Jobe. Of course it helps if the Jobe in question dosen't look like John Merrick, have a speech impediment or dark skin, otherwise the resulting news story ends up being less about the (most always athletic) event they are participating in,(what inspired you to run for Africa's starving millions?) then it does about the condition of the athelete in question(why do you have those growths on your face?)

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posted 16 September 2008 11:48 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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He knew he wasn't going to find a cure for cancer in times to save HIS life. He was doing it to help the people who came after him, a sort of enduring elgacy. rather than jsut accept that nothing could be done and it was too alte for him, he gave that gift to the rest of the world.

How do you know that he wasn't trying to save his own life?


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Well, because I know enough about cancer to know that when a terminal diagnosis is given, the odds of survival are pretty low. Anyone familiar with the current state of cancer research today knows that we are still a long way from a cure. When Terry Fox was alive, we were that much further. I assume he was a pertty reasonable and intelligent man who was told the truth by doctors and simply knew that no matter what he did, HIS cancer wouldn't be cured. Someday, it will be and Terry Fox will have helped to make that a reality.
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Alright, but I think that it's important to steer clear of the idea that having a disability automatically transforms you into a fantastically generous and self-sacrificing human being, that adversity somehow rids you of your flaws and you become Tim Cratchit simply by virtue of having your legs chopped off in a car accident, or in Fox's case, having terminal cancer.
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Right on CMOT.
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Not that I'm suggesting that people with disabilies SHOULD emulate Tiny Tim. That kid is probably the most boring character in fiction.
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did his marathon knowing that he was going to die underscores the more "selfless" aspect of his story. He knew he wasn't going to find a cure for cancer in times to save HIS life.

What? Can you provide a source for this idea that he had terminal cancer in the 3 years and 3 months between his amputation and the start of the Marathon of Hope?


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