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lookstheile
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posted 27 November 2007 03:57 PM
Well, actually, unlike many politicians, the Royal Family is born and raised to govern, and the current Queen is extremely well versed in matters of state.The problem with your theory about giving "the queen the boot" is that it would be an extremely unpopular move. The majority of the British people still support the monarchy, and the monarchy is an integral aspect of the British tourist industry and economy as a whole. I dare say that there any better alternatives out there; if you look at what republics like the USA tend to become, or what other political experiments like communism and fascism have produced, it looks to me that constitutional monarchies is probably the most stable and progressive form of government that man can devise. Yeah, it really sucks that some people can live so oppulent. I'm certainly not all that wealthy, but I can still appreciate the fact that the institution of monarchy can produce a better society than an republic or communist regime can offer. quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler: When will the British Monarchy be desolved? The royal family has no real governmental powers. The institution of the monarchy keeps a decadent, talentless bunch of elitist donkeys ensconced in a luxurious cacoon they don't deserve. When will the British government give the queen the boot and redistribute the wealth of Britain's royal houses?
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lookstheile
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posted 27 November 2007 04:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
What about France? It hasn't gone down the shitter.
Oh, yeah, you're right; it's not like it's been having race riots (again) for the last couple of days, right? Sarkozy is W.'s new best friend, isn't he? Now that Howard has been turfed, and Stevie's on his way out, pretty soon the once so immaturely reviled French will be all that the USA has got left. Oh, the irony!
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 27 November 2007 04:27 PM
quote: Oh, yeah, you're right; it's not like it's been having race riots (again) for the last couple of days, right?
Having the decendants of debotched, lazy, feudally apointed morons on the throne has helped Britain avoid racist violence? [ 28 November 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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lookstheile
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posted 27 November 2007 05:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
Having the decendants of debotched lazy feudally apointed morons on the throne has helped Britain avoid racist violence?
I believe that the monarchy has a positive influence on British politics and society, and this has resulted in a society that is more tolerant of ethnic minorities than France. Anyone who knows anything about Frances knows how anal they can be about their language and culture. I'm not sure who these "decendants of debotched lazy feudally apointed morons" are. Do you think you could enlighten me without being crude and ignorant about it?
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Fidel
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posted 27 November 2007 06:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by lookstheile:
I believe that the monarchy has a positive influence on British politics and society, and this has resulted in a society that is more tolerant of ethnic minorities than France?
I think "dark forces" were at work in getting rid of Rasputin ... and Diana. Liz and Phil couldn't stand the thought of having a swarthy Arab in the family. RA RA RASPUTIN Lover of the Russian queen They put some poison into his wine RA RA RASPUTIN Russia's greatest love machine He drank it all and he said "I feel fine"
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lookstheile
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posted 27 November 2007 07:18 PM
Well, there's no evidence for that--much to the contrary, in fact. It was just a tragic accident, the result of immediate circumstances and poor judgement on the part of the driver.The Royal Family's concern with her relationships had nothing to do with race; she was behaving quite irresponsibly with the children, and they were concerned about the well-being of the future King(s). She wanted to brainwash them into being "normal" children, something they could never be, and something she never was having been a Spencer. She was simply mentally unstable. Besides, anyone who knows anything about the situation knows that she had to interest in the guy; she was just using him to make another man she was interested in jealous. quote: Originally posted by Fidel:
I think "dark forces" were at work in getting rid of Rasputin ... and Diana. Liz and Phil couldn't stand the thought of having a swarthy Arab in the family. RA RA RASPUTIN Lover of the Russian queen They put some poison into his wine RA RA RASPUTIN Russia's greatest love machine He drank it all and he said "I feel fine"
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lookstheile
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posted 27 November 2007 07:21 PM
Yes, the last thing we need are people who are concerned about the environment, organic foods and agriculture, anti-poverty, historical and architectural preservation, art, culture, etc. etc. from being in a position to crete legislation. Meanwhile, thanks to Blair, Great Britain is going down the tubes and has sent troops to engage in Imperialist wars. Isn't that ironic!? quote: Originally posted by Martha (but not Stewart):
It is no longer, thank goodness, the monarch's job to create legislation.
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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 27 November 2007 08:03 PM
I think that for a state to exist it needs to remove power from communities and individuals, stick it all somewhere (queen, president, chairman, pharaoh) and then portion it out with things like laws and constitutions. If the power-storage-unit (i.e. head of state) wasn't in the picture the state couldn't exist.The way that Canada and the UK have set up their monarch is actually quiet ingenious. Shielded from the messiness of electoral politics they are free to be developed into storybook characters. Mesmerized by the pretty cookie jar we forget to look and see who's got the cookies. Without a queen there would be anarchy in the UK and then everyone would be able to eat. [ 28 November 2007: Message edited by: Le Téléspectateur ]
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lookstheile
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posted 27 November 2007 09:14 PM
It's because there's too much fanciful speculation about it. There are some people who believe that she staged her death. If you don't think it was an accident, what makes you think that she even died? quote: Originally posted by Fidel:
So what's with the trail of dead people since the "accident"? It's reminiscent of the three dozen witnesses to the JFK assassination who mysteriously turned up dead. And why was Diana's body embalmed?
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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 28 November 2007 04:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by lookstheile: I'm not quite sure what you mean by "anti-Muslim fervor" because the people of Great Britain have every right to be concerned about the intentions of the Islamists among them.
There is an undercurrent of anti-Muslim hatred in this country that is only partly due to the recent attacks and the acts of militant Islam. You'd have to be deaf and blind to miss it. It takes the usual form of scapegoating for various economic and class issues: "They come here illegally and get all the good council houses and cheat the dole and take all the jobs from good hardworking English boys." A recent quote from a common middle-aged woman, "If you're White and English in this country, you don't stand a chance." She's not alone. [ 28 November 2007: Message edited by: B.L. Zeebub LLD ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 28 November 2007 09:21 AM
quote: Without a queen there would be anarchy in the UK and then everyone would be able to eat.
I wouldn't go that far. Even if the Monarchy is abolished, many British people would still be at odds with the corporate big wigs who run their government. I just don't like the royals. I relize that people like Bill Gates and King Fahd have done more harm then Queen Elizibeth ever has, but I can't shake the feeling that the British royal family are a bunch of wasters. If they were a bit more like the swedish or spanish nobilities,(go Juan Carlos!) they would have more of my respect. [ 28 November 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 28 November 2007 10:42 AM
quote: I wouldn't go that far. Even if the Monarchy is abolished, many British people would still be at odds with the corporate big wigs who run their government.I just don't like the royals. I relize that people like Bill Gates and King Fahd have done more harm then Queen Elizibeth ever has, but I can't shake the feeling that the British royal family are a bunch of wasters. If they were a bit more like the swedish or spanish nobilities,(go Juan Carlos!) they would have more of my respect.
Not Queen Elizabeth, any queen - in any form she may assume. I was commenting on the fact that the head-of-state has an important role in maintaining the oppression that is the state.
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West Coast Greeny
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posted 28 November 2007 10:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler: But never is a very long time. Haven't some people been saying that the monarchy won't last beyond the Queen's death?
quote: Originally posted by Bacchus: Very true, though they said it when Edward VIII renounced the throne and when George VI died.It happens all the time at either a death of a loved monarch (or hated) or a particularly turbulent time. But the need the cash the tourists bring in way too much.
Yes. But really, it's not so much the death of Elizabeth as the ascendency of Charles everyone is worried about. I'm not worrying about it yet. Elizabeth will live to be at least 90.
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Catchfire
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posted 28 November 2007 12:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by lookstheile: I believe that the monarchy has a positive influence on British politics and society, and this has resulted in a society that is more tolerant of ethnic minorities than France. Anyone who knows anything about Frances knows how anal they can be about their language and culture.
Anyone who believes this has never spent any serious amount of time in the U.K. Exhibit A: the booing of the Croatian National Anthem during England's disastrous exit from the Euro 2008 qualifying, and the subsequent blaming of "too many foreign players in the Premiership" for the failure. Such a person should also, perhaps, watch Shane Meadows's wonderful 2006 film, This is England if they consider the U.K. such a racially tolerant place. ETA: Also, did the Brits learn their alleged racial tolerance and sensitivity from this bloke? [ 28 November 2007: Message edited by: Catchfire ]
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West Coast Greeny
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posted 28 November 2007 10:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
Why worry at all? Do you like the Royals?
I don't mind it so much. They are a huge part of the British national identity. I was mostly just saying Elizabeth makes a better monarch than Charles would. Neither of them are bad people, but Charles isn't really known for charisma...
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