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Jingles
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posted 26 January 2006 01:33 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The selloff of Canada continues apace:
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Hudson's Bay Co., the oldest company in Canada, has agreed to be acquired by South Carolina billionaire businessman Jerry Zucker in a deal worth $1.06 billion.
Zucker buys Bay

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"We are committed to enhancing our customers' shopping experience through a substantially greater focus on service and revitalizing the spirit of the organization," Zucker said in a statement.

Translation: Layoffs, store closures, disappeared pensions, selloff in pieces, and big fat bonuses for the executive class. Huzzah.

My wife works for the Bay. I hope she gets a decent buyout, at least.


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Aristotleded24
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posted 27 January 2006 12:31 AM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by Jingles:
Translation: Layoffs, store closures, disappeared pensions, selloff in pieces, and big fat bonuses for the executive class. Huzzah.

My wife works for the Bay. I hope she gets a decent buyout, at least.


The article mentions efficiency of customer service, which I'm worried is code for "self check-out machines," which eliminates many entry-level jobs for people starting out. That will make it difficult for people to find work.

I hope things work out for your wife, and that she can keep her job.


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Makwa
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posted 27 January 2006 09:52 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While I have some sympathy for any worker who may suffer, I have no nostalgia for the Hudson's Bay company, who became wealthy on exploiting, mistreating and starving the many thousands of FN people who had the misfortune to reside in their badly neglected and woefully mismanaged, 200-year old 'warehouse' of all of western Canada, otherwise snidely known as 'Rupert's Land'.
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posted 27 January 2006 11:25 PM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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While I have some sympathy for any worker who may suffer, I have no nostalgia for the Hudson's Bay company, who became wealthy on exploiting, mistreating and starving the many thousands of FN people who had the misfortune to reside in their badly neglected and woefully mismanaged, 200-year old 'warehouse' of all of western Canada, otherwise snidely known as 'Rupert's Land'.

Yep.

And when exactly did the selling of a privately-owned corporation become the same thing as "selling off Canada"? Sure, it's crummy if Zucker's increases efficiency on the backs of its workers, but are we to assume that no Canadian corporation has ever behaved in such a fashion?


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asterlake
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posted 27 January 2006 11:33 PM      Profile for asterlake        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good. The Hudson Bay Company did more to destroy the natives of Canada than any institution, including the churches. I wouldn't spill a tear over the end of slavery or all-male voting and I won't spill a tear over the demise of the Hudson Bay Company.
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posted 28 January 2006 12:48 AM      Profile for I'm richer than you        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Aristotleded24:

The article mentions efficiency of customer service, which I'm worried is code for "self check-out machines," which eliminates many entry-level jobs for people starting out. That will make it difficult for people to find work.

I hope things work out for your wife, and that she can keep her job.


And why don't we have people work the fields by hand, walk everywhere, raise buildings without cranes, and communicate via post?? God damned capitalist-industrialist workmonger. If we can give a man's job to a machine, that man no longer needs to work; he may remove his shackles and live a life of luxury in our advanced socialist welfare system.


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Ward
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posted 28 January 2006 03:19 AM      Profile for Ward     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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If we can give a man's job to a machine, that man no longer needs to work; he may remove his shackles and live a life of luxury in our advanced socialist welfare system.

Some actually enjoy work and would rather not find themselves lying alone in a bed hooked up to luxurious machines.


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skdadl
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posted 28 January 2006 08:45 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Makwa and others, while I agree that the HBC was, for a very long time, the advance party for British imperialism and dispossession (ok: robbery), there is one part of that company that we definitely shouldn't be handing off now to the American imperialists.

Someone mentioned this in a letter to the Grope today as well: the HBC Archives, which I think are still in Winnipeg, are an incredible historical resource. Anyone who wants to take apart the imperialists' story of the history of the northwest needs those records. I hope someone in Ottawa has had the sense to make sure those archives aren't part of this deal.


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'lance
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posted 28 January 2006 11:57 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ditto on the archives. But as for "the selloff of Canada": so far as I know, the company was British-owned until 1970.
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skdadl
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posted 28 January 2006 12:00 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That late, eh? I was wondering when that happened. Imagine: the British deciding they could hand over to the colonials - any colonials - in the first place.
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'lance
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posted 28 January 2006 12:14 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's debatable how much choice they had. By 1970, you'll recall, the UK was settling nicely into its third decade of post-imperial decline.
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posted 28 January 2006 12:16 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
HBC Archives are part of the Archives of Manitoba.

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exploiting, mistreating and starving the many thousands of FN people
Do you guys have references for this? I mean the HBC did business with the First Nations and no doubt that included exploiting; but was there widespread mistreating and starving? Not an intelligent way to treat your suppliers.

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Mandos
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posted 28 January 2006 12:20 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Good. The Hudson Bay Company did more to destroy the natives of Canada than any institution, including the churches. I wouldn't spill a tear over the end of slavery or all-male voting and I won't spill a tear over the demise of the Hudson Bay Company.

I think the fear is (perhaps correctly) increasing foreign control over the economy. I mean, the historical crimes of HBC are important, and I have hardly any love for a giant retail corporation, but undeniably the extant Hudson's Bay Corporation was a large part of our economy, and now it will be owned by someone whose interests lie even more clearly outside the scope of our polity. ie, the plague of multinationals increases.


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beluga2
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posted 28 January 2006 02:01 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This sale means that the oldest person in Canada will be moving to the United States.

I refer, of course, to the Hudson's Bay Company itself, which is, in the infinite wisdom of our legal system, a "person" like you or me. A "person" which will be 336 years old in May.

This of course raises the question of how that "person" can be sold off to a foreigner like a piece of furniture, given our laws against slavery. But that's a little contradiction our legal system has never seen fit to address.


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Bacchus
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posted 28 January 2006 02:19 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well he is selling off the credit card division but current business speculation is that:
Zellers will be sold to Target or wal mart
Downtown toronto main store will be sold (prob to walmart)
And of course lots of downsizing

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Gir Draxon
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posted 28 January 2006 03:05 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wasn't the original purpose of the HBC to exploit Canada's resources and exploit the profits to Britain?

So, considering that and everything else brought up in this thread, it was always about exporting profits and exploitation, even in the days of Rupert's Land. Good riddance.


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'lance
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posted 28 January 2006 03:14 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by beluga2:
This of course raises the question of how that "person" can be sold off to a foreigner like a piece of furniture, given our laws against slavery. But that's a little contradiction our legal system has never seen fit to address.

So far as I know, Canadian law has never yet accepted the idea that a corporate "person" has the same rights as a human one.

I, for one, hope it never does.


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beluga2
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posted 28 January 2006 09:39 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think Canadian law has ever come right out and said "corporations = persons" in the same way US law did, in the famous 1886 Santa Clara County case. (Though it turns out that case didn't actually establish corporate personhood either, though it's been treated like it did for well over a century. See here.)

Corporations have, however, used the Charter to claim that, for instance, tobacco-ad limitations violate their right to free-speech. So they have been acting as if they were "persons" and claiming the rights inherent therein, and the courts have been known to go along with them.


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