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posted 02 January 2005 06:18 AM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.itworld.com/Man/2681/041224germanlevy/

Given Germany's negative experience with any sort of corporatism, I'm surprised the courts even gave these pigs an inch.


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radiorahim
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posted 03 January 2005 12:00 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The entertainment conglomerates have very long tentacles.

They're trying to preserve a long obsolete business model through the use of the courts and through legislation.

The next time some right-winger talks about how corporations are great "risk takers" and the terrible "socialist nanny state" you can throw this in their face.

The one place where the courts have shown some guts is right here in Canada. Unfortunately the politicians may undo the court's decision with legislation.


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VanLuke
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posted 03 January 2005 03:49 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Canada we've been paying a levy for a long time on blank audio tapes and blank CDs.

I resent like hell having to pay for recording my own work or mailing a 'talking letter' to my old mom.

So it's not something unique to Germany


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posted 03 January 2005 10:22 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The levies are intended to compensate rights holders for lost royalties from private copying of music, images and moves.

Great. Now that they've been compensated, it should be "open season". You should be allowed to park a van full of copying equipment outside of Sam the Record Man, and go to town. You've already participated in compensating them, and they've been compensated, so why not?


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posted 03 January 2005 10:34 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by radiorahim:

The next time some right-winger talks about how corporations are great "risk takers" and the terrible "socialist nanny state" you can throw this in their face.

At what point did you ever figure that right-wingers like these levy's or the industries that promote them?

[ 03 January 2005: Message edited by: HeywoodFloyd ]


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posted 03 January 2005 11:45 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I still have a huge collection of vinyl LPs, which I keep largely for sentimental reasons because I almost never play any of them.

Then I bought some of the same songs on cassettes.

And after that many of them again on CDs.

For years I have been paying a levy on media to record my own work.

Isn't this a bit of 'overcompensation'?

Whatever it is, it helped me rationalise my downloading of music (when I still did it; don't do it anymore for a number of reasons).

We pay these people, who are often mutli-millionaires, again and again.

Just who are the thieves here?


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posted 03 January 2005 01:46 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The big recording industry says that they do this for the artists, but the atrists get very little, if any, of the money from these levies. It's just big business ripping us off again.
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posted 05 January 2005 12:39 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My understanding is that the Canadian Copyright Board hasn't even figured out a "mechanism" to compensate artists for the money they've been collecting from these levies all these years.

And I totally resent paying this levy. Why should I pay it when most of the CD's I burn these days are used for burning Linux ISO's.


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posted 05 January 2005 12:46 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by radiorahim:
My understanding is that the Canadian Copyright Board hasn't even figured out a "mechanism" to compensate artists for the money they've been collecting from these levies all these years.

Well, Access Copyright sure has nice offices. Maybe they're compensating the artists by shwoing them that people can have nice offices.

BTW, the mechanism they presently have is called "nagging." If you nag them, they pay you an amount directly related to how large a corporation you are.

Not a corporation? Oh, well here's some money for a coffee.


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posted 05 January 2005 11:00 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
At what point did you ever figure that right-wingers like these levy's or the industries that promote them?

C'mon Heywood, read the subtext: Next time someone on the right goes on about 'welfare bums' and how corporations are great at taking risks on new ideas, one can point to this decision as an example of:

- corporate welfare, paying a corporation or group of corporations to keep doing business 'the old way' without them having to have their ickle boat rocked in any way.
- Lack of initiative on the part of a group of corporations to step up and deal with the new demands of the digital age, digital media, and the copyright issues involved, and instead them just sitting back and trying to force the world back into 'the good way, the old way, the way that means we don't have to do things different'.

Nothing at all in there about conservatives liking the recording industry or CD levies.


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posted 05 January 2005 11:40 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by aRoused:

C'mon Heywood, read the subtext: Next time someone on the right goes on about 'welfare bums' and how corporations are great at taking risks on new ideas, one can point to this decision as an example of:

- corporate welfare, paying a corporation or group of corporations to keep doing business 'the old way' without them having to have their ickle boat rocked in any way.
- Lack of initiative on the part of a group of corporations to step up and deal with the new demands of the digital age, digital media, and the copyright issues involved, and instead them just sitting back and trying to force the world back into 'the good way, the old way, the way that means we don't have to do things different'.

Nothing at all in there about conservatives liking the recording industry or CD levies.


You could use it as a example but......seeing as we wouldn't disagree with you your argument would just fizzle.


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posted 06 January 2005 02:41 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whenever ordinary workers talk about job security issues, unemployment insurance, welfare or any other part of the social safety net the right-wing says that folks should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and not go crying to the "socialist nanny state" for help.

But when corporate execs screw up they see nothing wrong with running to the big bad socialist nanny state to bail them out.

The record industry conglomerates are a rather glaring example of this. They sued 12 year olds in the U.S. and tried to do the same thing here. They want protectionist legislation and special taxes levied on the little folks to protect their God-given right to make us much money as they always have doing business the same old way.


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