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kyall glennie
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posted 12 August 2004 01:47 AM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
FYI, even if you're not from our wonderful province:

The Saskatchewan Federation of Labour, University of Regina Students' Union, Canadian Federation of Students and the Regina Anti-Poverty Ministry have launched their Living Wage campaign to raise the minimum wage in the province to a living wage.

Details and ways you can help (including an online letter you can send to the Minimum Wage Review board) are found on www.living-wage.ca.

Pass it on to everyone you know in Saskatchewan!


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Reverend Blair
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posted 12 August 2004 12:26 PM      Profile for Reverend Blair   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Consider it passed on. I'll even send it to my neo-conservative brother. ...I think he was adopted or something.
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shannifromregina
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posted 12 August 2004 01:09 PM      Profile for shannifromregina     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well they should raise the minumum wage because if you are a single parent you get more money on Social Services then you do working 160 hours a month Minumum wage here is 6.65 an hour which equals 1064 a month by the time you take taxes and stuff off are lucky if you get 900 a month. Please tell me how a family of 3 is to live on that. On social services you would get all your utilities paid, your rent and your medications... I would rather work then be on assistance however my prescriptions for the last week came to over 180 dollars. So how is a single parent to pay for all the incidentals that come along working minimum wage. You don't get all the medications that you need or you borrow the money knowing you can't pay it back. Governemt raise the damn wage.
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hopebird
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posted 12 August 2004 02:52 PM      Profile for hopebird     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by shannifromregina:
Well they should raise the minumum wage because if you are a single parent you get more money on Social Services then you do working 160 hours a month Minumum wage here is 6.65 an hour which equals 1064 a month by the time you take taxes and stuff off are lucky if you get 900 a month. Please tell me how a family of 3 is to live on that. On social services you would get all your utilities paid, your rent and your medications... I would rather work then be on assistance however my prescriptions for the last week came to over 180 dollars. So how is a single parent to pay for all the incidentals that come along working minimum wage. You don't get all the medications that you need or you borrow the money knowing you can't pay it back. Governemt raise the damn wage.


You are very right and I think a lot of people in Saskatchewan (Canada?) don't understand those realities because they don't here what it is like for people and families trying to live on $6.65 an hour. You should definitely go to the website listed by Kyall above and send a letter to the min. wage review board (you can even do it online!) so they can hear your story and hopefully the story of many others.

I REALLY hope this campaign is a huge success. I think it could be so important in improving the lives of so many people in th province!!!

~L


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Olly
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posted 12 August 2004 03:52 PM      Profile for Olly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I totally support campaigns such as this, but....

One question: Why do these campaigns only consider the minimum wage when they talk about income and costs of living? It seems to me they should talk about the whole gammut of employment income + government benefits + tax credits. For example, in Ontario, a minimum wage worker makes $7.15 after the current Liberal government raised the min. wage in February. But they also receive the National Child Benefit Supplement (which social assistance recipients don't), the Ontario Child Care Supplement for Working Families, and other various tax credits (GST, property tax credit). Including all of these, a minimum wage worker in Ontario makes quite a bit more than $7.15 an hour. Although this is still not enough to meet the costs of living and working (especially in large urban areas), we should be up front that the minimum wage isn't the end of the story.


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lonecat
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posted 12 August 2004 04:27 PM      Profile for lonecat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am in favour of the Guaranteed Annual Income,
The Living Wage campaign is certainly a step in the right direction.
I will see what I can do to help!

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lagatta
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posted 12 August 2004 05:23 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Olly, except for the GST rebate (a joke) the supplements you mention only apply to people with minor children, not all minimum-wage or low-paid workers.

And if you want to talk about those forms of social income, it is important to talk about the many costs of working: transport, proper clothing, meals outside the house etc. (Yes, people can brown-bag it, but it takes time and planning - and still winds up more expensive than eating in).

I don't think the Living Wage campaign is the same as the Guaranteed Annual Income campaign. They are rather different approaches to fighting poverty.

Here is the current SMIC for France (based on a 35-hour week):

1,154.13 EUR
Euro   =   1,882.21 CAD
Canada Dollars

Note that many skilled and professional jobs tend to be paid somewhat less in France than here. However, there are a lot of social benefits and "aides" available.

[ 12 August 2004: Message edited by: lagatta ]


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sgm
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posted 12 August 2004 05:46 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can see that something like the monthly child benefit, received monthly on top of a minimum-wage paycheque, could effectively raise your income above 7.15/hr, though by how much per hour would depend on your income, number of children (and their ages), amount of claimed child care expenses, etc.

It would be pretty hard to work all of these variables into the messaging for a campaign like this one.


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Olly
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posted 12 August 2004 06:05 PM      Profile for Olly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Olly, except for the GST rebate (a joke) the supplements you mention only apply to people with minor children, not all minimum-wage or low-paid workers.

The NCBS gets paid to anyone with children under 18, so it's not just minor children. The OCCS in Ontario gets paid to anyone with children under 7 (which is a significant design flaw), so it is only minor children as you say. But, yes, your point is taken that single adult workers don't have access to those benefits. Of course, the cost of working for a family with children is also signficantly higher than for a single person, which is why those benefits were introduced to begin with.

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And if you want to talk about those forms of social income, it is important to talk about the many costs of working: transport, proper clothing, meals outside the house etc. (Yes, people can brown-bag it, but it takes time and planning - and still winds up more expensive than eating in).

Absolutely, I agree. People don't often consider the costs of working are actually quite high, especially in urban areas as I mentioned. That is why I said these benefits combined with employment income are still too low.

Lagatta, you're from Montreal - what are the employment income benefits in Quebec? I've pretty well stated all of the ones that exist in Ontario, which are pretty meagre and thread-bare.


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Amy
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posted 12 August 2004 06:50 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that minor children means children under 18, although I'm not sure. My parents aren't in Sask. or Ontario, but I know that they lost a significant chunk of cash when I turned 18, even though I still lived at home and was going to highschool, and the same with my sister. I think this is a major design "flaw", as it makes it really hard for families to keep kids at home if you're already stuggling to keep food on the table when they're under 18.
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kyall glennie
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posted 13 August 2004 01:54 PM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Olly-

I think one of the reasons is because we have a specific goal in mind for this campaign - influencing the minimum wage review board that on September 15th makes a recommendation to the government to raise the minimum wage. While there are business lobbyists and Saskatchewan Party members on the board who argue for freezing of the wage (or in some cases, decreasing it) we've also got supportive people lobbying to increase it.

It's really a one-action review board, that only makes one recommendation: what to raise the wage to. Last review, they raised it $0.65 in one year, which is fairly substantive - but then didn't raise it for two years.

Guaranteed Annual Income would be a whole other ballgame - which I think we now have the capacity to do following this initial lobby session. But great suggestion none-the-less.


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