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robbie_dee
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posted 03 October 2007 06:39 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Food or crack. The choice is yours.

That's the message one northern B.C. aid group has issued to people knocking on the door for help, saying they must now provide proof of financial need to gain assistance.

The requirement stems from bureaucracy — an audit of the Dawson Creek Salvation Army last year slammed the fact people didn't need to show what they were earning to gain free food — but now workers hope it could help break the poverty cycle.

Kim Mulligan, director of family services for the Dawson Creek Salvation Army, said blithely handing out assistance without proof of need was “enabling people to destroy themselves.”

“If you pay $700 rent and the cheque you get is $800, clearly you need us to help you. But if you've got someone who brings in their information and they're making $5,000 a month, I want to know where that money's going,” Ms. Mulligan told The Globe in a telephone interview.

“One guy today had $100. He could have bought food, but he bought crack. He didn't get anything [from the Salvation Army]. How are we to help if we continue to enable them?”

Drugs, particularly crack, are the greatest challenge. Workers at the Dawson Creek Salvation Army guessed that up to 90 per cent of people they see are choosing to buy drugs instead of food.

Meanwhile, soaring rent prices mean a rising number of families who simply can't make ends meet are also coming to the door.

In the end, the organization has to help those people who really need it, Ms. Mulligan said.


Globe and Mail


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bruce_the_vii
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posted 05 October 2007 01:21 AM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe it.
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Fidel
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posted 05 October 2007 01:40 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anybody worried over what the corporate welfare bums spend billions in handouts on? Maybe the superrich friends of Canada's two oldest political parties buy the best Colombian cocaine and Napoleon brandy with your tax dollars, or a new yacht. And they laugh at Canadians all the way to the bank or to the Bahamas in their new leer jets. An old saying goes, don't drop dollars on the ground to pick up pennies.
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bigcitygal
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posted 05 October 2007 05:16 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is exactly the "worthy versus unworthy" dichotomy that is so unhelpful to these kinds of discussions.

Are we so classist (this is rhetorical, I know the answer is yes) as a society that the idea of judging a poor person's behaviour is accepted as the norm? The majority of the comments after the article were grotesque, just a bland fall-into-line "way to go Sally Ann kinda drivel.

Of course, this is the kind of "leadership" I expect from the Salvation Army, duh.

And of course this is the kind of story the Globe would run.

So yeah, what about Fidel's question about corporate welfare, or cronies/buddies getting multi-million dollar government contracts, or even the bad behaviour of people who are higher than middle class? Why are the poor continuously targetted for (lack of) morality? (Rhetorical again. I guess I'm in a mood )

"A hand up, not a hand out" Give me a fucking break.


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Makwa
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posted 05 October 2007 06:33 AM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by bigcitygal:
"A hand up, not a hand out" Give me a fucking break.
If the Salvation Army had any understanding of addiction issues or how to help people who have developed drug dependencies, I would take them seriously. Otherwise its merely perpetuating stupid and pointless prejudices. Don't the drug addicted deserve to eat? How are the drug dependent supposed to make better choices from a position of absolute hunger? I would suggest that the wider community choose not to support the Salvation Army until they develop a humane approach to serving people with substance abuse issues.

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N.R.KISSED
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posted 05 October 2007 06:39 AM      Profile for N.R.KISSED     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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If I require something out of them, they will require something out of themselves. What I want them to get in their heads is that they are worthwhile — they are useful human beings,” Ms. Mulligan said.

Blame, condesension and humiliation are empowering.

I think there needs to be more stringent guidelines on government funds going to faith based charity models of social services. I'm unconvinced people providing these services are "useful human beings" despite what the tell themselves.


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Michelle
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posted 05 October 2007 07:11 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good reason to never EVER donate to religious charities who provide social services. I never donate to the Sally Ann. They're self-righteous sing-for-your-supper religious freaks. They're all about charity rather than social justice. Your classic "poverty pimps". They wouldn't know a root cause if it bit them on the ass.
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remind
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posted 05 October 2007 07:18 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I notice they did not suggest that MLA/MPP"S's and MP's get piss tested too! I mean, each one of them gets more money from the public purse than any 20 income assistance people.

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bruce_the_vii
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posted 05 October 2007 04:26 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not so critical. In the front line of social services every dollar would count and small things would become issues. That's the way these things work. It's only human. Ahymn.
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Cueball
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posted 05 October 2007 04:56 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When a well meaning French journalist asked Spike Lee about drug use among black Americans (oh those many years ago when he released "Do the Right Thing,") in a press conference at Cannes Film Festival, he pointed out that issue of drugs is most often framed in the context of poor black Americans (in the case of the USA of course) and this is actually a media distortion, because drug use is not at all exclusive to those communities, and exists in all stratas of society.

He was more or less paraphrasing Malcolm X's famous retort to an American journalist who asked him about the existence of "black gun clubs." Malcolm noted that gun clubs only became an issue of concern when they were black gun clubs, as it is quite evident that there are numerous white gun clubs.

Spike was quite frosty in his response to the inquiring entertainment industry journalist, probably because between the hundred odd music industry schmoozers gathered for his presentation there were numerous attendees coming down off cocaine highs from the night before.

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Tommy_Paine
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posted 06 October 2007 04:35 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, not only that but one of the economic drivers that keeps drugs in black neighborhoods are the white people that go there to get them.
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Fidel
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posted 06 October 2007 12:07 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John Kerry told Dateline news reporters that the Iran-Contra cabal and shadow government were complicit in the dumping of drugs into L.A. from Ilopango International Airport, San Salvador and other covert flights to and from Colombia during the 1980's.

Three Bush family biographers "suicided" themselves, including Gary Webb, a highly acclaimed investigative journalist for the San Jose Mercury News. Webb's news story, Dark Alliance, pointed fingers at DEA and CIA compliance with flying drugs into the States as a way of supporting the anticommunist Contra mercenaries recruited from around the Caribbean and Central and South America in the 1980's. The CIA supplied dope dealers like Freeway Ricky Ross who raked in $2-$3 million on good business days according to him. When anticommunism is the game anything goes for the right-wing cabal.

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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 06 October 2007 01:46 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That sounds like what John "Bugs" Raplin said in Bob Roberts. That was a good scene. Good picture too.
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Fidel
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posted 06 October 2007 02:01 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are the Devine crooks out of prison yet?
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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 06 October 2007 02:58 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It doesn't matter. We've got a new hybrid strain that's worse. The so-called saskatchewan party. They're led by Brad "Sell The Crowns" Wall - an evil man with an evil plan. They're so tory, they seceded from the tories and morphed into this horrible anti-biotic resistant superbug of provincial politics.

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bruce_the_vii
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posted 06 October 2007 05:48 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[QB]A good reason to never EVER donate to religious charities who provide social services.

LOL. Disparaging the front line social workers, spiting on the Sally Anne and holding the finger up to faith bases charities. One thing. If you want to be a political activist you have to communicate. And a basis of communicating is knowing your own voice. That is your role. And specifically your role in your own problems. Adults won’t even talk to you unless you know how to keep an eye on that. It turns out that communication is everything. It’s personality, competence and ethics. I got bashed a million times but I sorted that out.


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