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Sven
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posted 01 August 2008 12:03 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Per Slate.com:

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The war on fat has just crossed a major red line. The Los Angeles City Council has passed an ordinance prohibiting construction of new fast-food restaurants in a 32-square-mile area inhabited by 500,000 low-income people.

We're not talking anymore about preaching diet and exercise, disclosing calorie counts, or restricting sodas in schools. We're talking about banning the sale of food to adults.



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Doug
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posted 01 August 2008 12:15 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had to - sorry.

You can't has cheezeburger!


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Doug
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posted 01 August 2008 12:20 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is definitely a problem in American cities of poor neighbourhoods not containing stores that sell fresh produce but banning new fast-food outlets isn't about to get them those stores.
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Left Turn
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posted 01 August 2008 12:55 PM      Profile for Left Turn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I would support a policy prohibiting the construction of new fast-food restaurants anywhere in cities, regardless of the income level of the neighbourhood. People shouldn't be eating greasy, fatty burgers, and it doesn't matter what your income level is.

[ 01 August 2008: Message edited by: Left Turn ]


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madmax
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posted 01 August 2008 01:00 PM      Profile for madmax   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What? You mean, it is ok for fat people in the burbs to drive their cars to a fast food outlet, but fat people in the city shouldn't walk or take the bus to one?
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Sven
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posted 01 August 2008 01:46 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Left Turn:
Well, I would support a policy prohibiting the construction of new fast-food restaurants anywhere in cities, regardless of the income level of the neighbourhood. People shouldn't be eating greasy, fatty burgers, and it doesn't matter what your income level is.

I don’t think people should drink excessively, smoke (or use any tobacco—other than ceremonial usage), take drugs that adversely affect their health, or eat too much (or too much “bad” food) and that they should exercise regularly, get regular amounts of adequate sleep, and otherwise engage in healthful activities and lifestyles.

But, do I want the government mandating behavior that is good—and prohibiting behavior that is bad—for an individual? Absolutely not!!


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 01 August 2008 02:14 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Left Turn:
Well, I would support a policy prohibiting the construction of new fast-food restaurants anywhere in cities, regardless of the income level of the neighbourhood. People shouldn't be eating greasy, fatty burgers, and it doesn't matter what your income level is.

Um, yeah. What's your opinion on a program of compulsory exercise ('Drop and gimme 50, maggot, or go to jail') and the mandatory consumption of brussels sprouts ('Eat them, or you'll never see daylight again!')?


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Sven
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posted 01 August 2008 02:42 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Gordon:

Um, yeah. What's your opinion on a program of compulsory exercise ('Drop and gimme 50, maggot, or go to jail') and the mandatory consumption of brussels sprouts ('Eat them, or you'll never see daylight again!')?


Or...

■ No hamburger sales at all in the grocery store (cuz people might—[aghast]—make a cheeseburger with it on their backyard Weber grill)

■ No meat sales at all (cuz meat can—surreptitiously and illegally—be converted to hamburger)

■ No Weber grills, charcoal or charcoal lighter fluid (classified as “contraband”)

■ No private raising of cattle (see first and second bullet points above)—only government-monitor cattle raising (if any)

The weaselly little government bureaucrats composing the L.A. City Council have no business telling adult individuals what they can and cannot eat (and there’s a big difference between doing that and “encouraging” or “recommending” good eating habits).


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Michelle
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posted 01 August 2008 05:52 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by madmax:
What? You mean, it is ok for fat people in the burbs to drive their cars to a fast food outlet, but fat people in the city shouldn't walk or take the bus to one?

Exactly! Except I don't think this is aimed specifically at "fat people". It's aimed at low income people.

[ 01 August 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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martin dufresne
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posted 01 August 2008 06:20 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Um... isn't the point of this bylaw that there already ARE humongous amounts of fast-food outlets in that city and that they don't want any more? Every city planning scheme worth its salt tries to manage the quantity and type of shops it licenses in a given area.
Existing outlets aren't affected by this yet-to-be-adopted ordinance, so this isn't about "banning" or "food apartheid" as the original story headline screams to libertarians everywhere. Can a lynch mob of burg(h)ers with pitchforks be far off?

[ 01 August 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 01 August 2008 06:21 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course not. Salt is bad for you.
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Boom Boom
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posted 01 August 2008 06:56 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember growing up in Ottawa, my mother would take me with her to a chipwagon where the fries were drenched in salt and vinegar. She couldn't get enough of that awful stuff. At least the fries were crispy. When the novelty of chipwagons fell off, we then went to Royal Burger - the best burgers I've ever had, cooked to a crisp, with pickles, onion, and a very tangy tomato sauce/ketchup. That was the late 1950s.
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Frustrated Mess
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posted 01 August 2008 07:51 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
my mother would take me with her to a chipwagon where the fries were drenched in salt and vinegar. She couldn't get enough of that awful stuff. At least the fries were crispy. When the novelty of chipwagons fell off, we then went to Royal Burger

Every night?

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Sven
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posted 01 August 2008 08:10 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That’s interesting, Boom Boom.

I grew up in a small town with three restaurants and a fast-food burger place (not a franchise but just a locally-owned burger and malt shop).

After I graduated and I came back to town with a girlfriend of mine, I realized, while showing her around town, that in the 18 years I had lived in that town I had never eaten at the burger joint a single time!! Our family probably ate out at a restaurant maybe once a year...and it was a big deal!! Otherwise, we always ate at home.

It seems almost inconceivable in retrospect.


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