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The Rev. Jerry Falwell was hospitalized in "gravely serious" condition after being found unconscious today in his office at Liberty University, a school executive said.

Ron Godwin, the university's executive vice president, said Falwell, 73, was found unresponsive around 10:45 a.m. and taken to Lynchburg General Hospital. Godwin said he was not sure what caused the collapse, but he said Falwell "has a history of heart challenges."

"I had breakfast with him, and he was fine at breakfast," Godwin said. "He went to his office, I went to mine, and they found him unresponsive."

Godwin said Falwell was receiving emergency care. A hospital spokeswoman said she had "no information to release at this time."

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[update: He died shorty after I posted this]

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Wow...I don't know what to feel. I don't like seeing anyone die but this one is tough. I will not dance on anyone's grave...no matter how tempting.

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Wow...I don't know what to feel. I don't like seeing anyone die but this one is tough. I will not dance on anyone's grave...no matter how tempting.

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Correction: Cross dressing in really Bad taste.

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As a lapsed Baptist feminist supporter of GLBT rights who was apparently responsible for 9-11, I'd just like to say...couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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Oops, it just changed to Greenpeace Canada. It used to read Liberty University.

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"Today, the church has 24,000 members and the annual revenues of all of his ministries total more than $200 million, according to his biography on Liberty University's Web site."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18679412/

Unless his flock were all very wealthy and generous samaritans, I'd say that much of their "revenues" come from something other than up front donations. Wonder if anyone in the mass media will pick up on that little boast? Unless that's just a typo.

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The world is better off without Jerry Falwell...When the Moral Majority collapses, it will be a cause for celebration, but we shouldn't party until after(or just before) that happens.

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They actually go as far as actualy advising that? Disgusting. Guess selling magical key chains on tv adds to the balance too. Ten thou per member is still pretty rich though.

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Yes they do, I read it in Hedges book, and saw it prior to that on some expose on Falwell/Crouch's/Benny Hinn.

It is just not Falwell's ministry, it is all the ministries under Falwell's too, for a combined amount. Like Pastor Russell Johnson of the Ohio Restoration Project who warns about:

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the 'secular jihadists' who have 'high jacked' America, removing public prayer from schools, the 10 Commandments and the Bible from public places. he accuses the public schools, which he says promote an ideology of secular humanisn, of neglecting to teach that Hitler was "an avid evolutionist". There can be no negotiation, no compromise, no deals cut with the enemy, And the enemy lives in your neighbourhood, teaches in your schools and works in your office...

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Harper's (Lewis Lapham's) has been doing some good stories on the Dominionists last year or so. Maybe moderate secularized Christians should be spending more time going after the un-Christian politicization of their religion, might help the perception of "their" whole community on the left.

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To be fair erik, they are, Hedges was educated at Harvard Divinity School, though he became a jounalist instead of clergy, he is still a secular "Christian". Many moderate Christians are standing against the attempted theft of their religion, by people who are actually un-Christian, or anti-Christian, like Falwell et al.

As I said, no moderate progressive "Christian" would call anybody else a "secular jihadist".

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If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved, 1979 pp. 52-53, from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown]

The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976

The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.
-- Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength

But these things speak evil of those things, verse 10 [reading from Jude] which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted into the World Council of Churches. Almost, the vote was against them. But they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is that they would get one vote. Because they are spoken of here in Jude as being brute beasts, that is going to the baser lust of the flesh to live immorally, and so Jude describes this as apostasy. But thank God this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, "Old Time Gospel Hour" broadcast, March 11, 1984, quoted by Rev Jerry Sloan, "Is Jerry Falwell a liar?" Freedom Writer, September, 1994

The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
-- Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!

We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today ... our battle is with Satan himself.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

You'll be riding along in an automobile. You'll be the driver perhaps. You're a Christian. There'll be several people in the automobile with you, maybe someone who is not a Christian. When the trumpet sounds you and the other born-again believers in that automobile will be instantly caught away -- you will disappear, leaving behind only your clothes and physical things that cannot inherit eternal life. That unsaved person or persons in the automobile will suddenly be startled to find the car suddenly somewhere crashes.... Other cars on the highway driven by believers will suddenly be out of control and stark pandemonium will occur on ... every highway in the world where Christians are caught away from the drivers wheel.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, in his pamphlet, "Nuclear War and the Second Coming of Christ," quoted from Ronnie Dugger,"Does Reagan Expect a Nuclear Armageddon?" in Washington Post Outlook (April 8, 1984)

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God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson agreed, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

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It is heartening to know that Falwell viewed himself as being on the same side as God and the 9/11 hijackers, all allied against such horrors as civil liberties, equality for women, free choice and gay rights.

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In the unique ministry of the Rev. Jerry Falwell, a press conference is as comfortable a setting as a church service. There he was last week at New York City's Kennedy Airport, smiling out at television crews and slightly incredulous reporters. His mission: to offer optimistic words of moral assurance about South Africa's embattled white regime, whose leaders he had just met during a whirlwind five-day visit. He urged the good Christian folk of America to buy up gold Krugerrands and push U.S. "reinvestment" in South Africa.

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God, they say, is love, but the Rev. Jerry Falwell, who died May 15, hit the jackpot trafficking in small-minded condemnation. The controversies Falwell generated followed a predictable loop. 1) Falwell would say something hateful or clownish about some person or group associated with liberalism. 2) A public outcry would ensue. 3) Falwell would apologize and retract the offending comment. 4) Falwell would repeat the comment, slightly rephrased.

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Falwell grew up in a segregationist setting and supported racial segregation for the first few years of his career. In 1965 Reverend Falwell gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, which he sometimes referred to as the Civil Wrongs Movement. On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 60s he regularly featured Segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace [12]. He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days, for example, in 1958:
“If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”

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Apparently Fred Phelps and family are going to protest the funeral. Now there's irony for you.

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Apparently Fred Phelps and family are going to protest the funeral. Now there's irony for you.

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One group of people, who self identify a "Christians" and who are rabid haters, is going to protest, another person's funeral, who was also a self identified "Christian" and who was also a rabid hater of the very same things/people as them,for not being a "Christian".

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Not much that I can see, but here is a a link to the Phelp's opinion of Falwell's funeral, and you can read their own words. Pot kettle black kinda of irony.

Tinky Winky says goodbye to Jerry Falwell. From Salon

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Eight years ago the Rev. Jerry Falwell warned parents that BBC children's television star Tinky Winky was a hidden symbol of homosexuality. Falwell died Tuesday at 73, and the world wanted to talk to Tinky Winky.

"They're calling again, again, again," he said by phone from his home in Islington, in London. A spokesman said the former "Teletubbies" costar got more than 100 calls from reporters in the hour following news of Falwell's death.

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"It was traumatizing, really," says Winky, who now owns a holistic healing center and makes occasional appearances on British TV. "I'm a very private Teletubby. I just wanted to get away, go over the hills and far away. But when you're 7 feet tall and purple with an antenna on your head and a TV screen in your belly, where are you going to go?"

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What's the difference between Phelps' theology and Falwell's?

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What's the difference between Phelps' theology and Falwell's?

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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/may2007/falw-m17.shtml

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In fact, as a religious conman and bigot, Falwell contributed what he could to the debasement of American political, social and cultural life

Falwell might have remained one of dozens and dozens of preachers with local followings had it not been for significant changes in American social relations.

Following the overwhelming defeat of Republican Barry Goldwater in the 1964 election to Democrat Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon sought to redirect the Republican Party toward the construction of a new mass base for right-wing economic and social policies. This became known as the “Southern Strategy,” as the Republicans sought to whip up a racist backlash against the civil rights movement, particularly in the Southern states. After a century of one-party rule by the Democrats, the South was transformed into a stronghold of the Republican Party in the 1970s and 1980s.

As the Republican Party recast itself as a right-wing, quasi-theocratic party, and the ability of fundamentalism to play a leading role ceased to be primarily a regional phenomenon, Falwell rode the wave to national prominence. Along with a number of others, he launched the Moral Majority in 1979—on a program of imposing fundamentalist Christian dogma as state policy, ferocious anticommunism and anti-welfare-state economics—which was credited with assisting Ronald Reagan in winning the presidency in 1980.

If historian Douglas Brinkley is correct that Falwell “set the tone and tenor for the 1980s,” it is a sad commentary on the decade. In any event, he certainly both embodied and agitated for the lurch to the right that has occurred in official American political life.

Falwell inveighed against gay rights, feminism and, in general, any signs of social liberalism. The Lynchburg preacher denounced Martin Luther King and others for their “left-wing associations” and declared that “Labor unions should study and read the Bible instead of asking for more money. When people get right with God, they are better workers.” In 1979 he told his followers that he yearned for the day when America “won’t have any public schools. The churches will take them over again and Christians will be running them.” He opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime in South Africa in the 1980s, warning of a Soviet-backed revolution.

Falwell later wrote that he was convinced that a majority existed in America that could “turn back the flood tide of moral permissiveness, family breakdown and general capitulation to evil and to foreign policies such as Marxism-Leninism.”

The actual political alliance was bound up less with such apocalyptic moralism than with the earthly material interests of the American upper class. Falwell and dozens of other television preachers helped mobilize disoriented sections of the middle class and working class behind a program which resulted in a dramatic transfer of wealth from working people to the super-rich, as well as enriching a sizeable layer of the upper middle class, including Falwell himself.

The premise of the Moral Majority proved to be a fraud, even in its own terms. Successive Republican administrations talked the language of the Christian fundamentalists and made significant attacks on democratic and constitutional rights, but these measures encountered a deep-rooted popular opposition. The promised theocratic transformation of American life did not materialize, and Falwell and many of his fellow televangelists, like Pat Robertson, had to continually up the dosage of their extreme-right demagogy, embracing increasingly bizarre theories.

As we noted at the outset, religious hucksterism is not something new in the US. Such people have been around for a long time, since colonial days. The early twentieth century saw no shortage, in the Billy Sundays and Aimee Semple McPhersons. Sinclair Lewis (Elmer Gantry), H.L. Mencken and others did their share to discredit the charlatans and religious backwardness in general.

Writing in the Baltimore Evening Sun in September 1925 in the aftermath of the death of William Jennings Bryan, notorious for his campaign against the theory of evolution in the Scopes Trial, Mencken commented: “The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day, and exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding their heads in shame.”

For a generation Falwell personified the smarminess, hypocrisy and thinly veiled thuggery of a retrograde social trend. All in all, his was a baleful presence in American life.

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The discovery of the carcass of Jerry Falwell on the floor of an obscure office in Virginia has almost zero significance, except perhaps for two categories of the species labeled "credulous idiot." The first such category consists of those who expected Falwell (and themselves) to be bodily raptured out of the biosphere and assumed into the heavens, leaving pilotless planes and driverless trucks and taxis to crash with their innocent victims as collateral damage. This group is so stupid and uncultured that it may perhaps be forgiven. It is so far "left behind" that almost its only pleasure is to gloat at the idea of others being abandoned in the same condition.

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I got a kick out of this...

Tinky Winky says goodbye to Jerry Falwell. From Salon

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Love this:

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Winky chuckles. "I must say, though," he says, "without getting into too many details, we had a girl in the group who ran around this kids show yelling, 'Cooter! Cooter!' And I'm the gay one? Do me a favor."

Through a spokeswoman, Po declined to comment for this article.

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Oh, and Jeff's Hitchens link is excellent too. I'm chuckling out loud through the entire piece. A choice remark:

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One of his associates, Bailey Smith, once opined that "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew." This is one of the few anti-Semitic remarks ever made that has a basis in fact, since God does not exist and does not attend to any prayers, but Smith was not quite making that point.

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Yeah, I can just imagine!

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And abuse, from the same Slate article referenced above:

"... there is no vileness that cannot be freely uttered by a man whose name is prefaced with the word Reverend. Try this: Call a TV station and tell them that you know the Antichrist is already on earth and is an adult Jewish male. See how far you get. Then try the same thing and add that you are the Rev. Jim-Bob *Vermin* [emphasis mine]. 'Why, Reverend, come right on the show!"

from Wikipedia:
"The term [vermin] is also used as an extremely pejorative characterization of a particular class or group of people as inferior and subhuman, and often considered social parasites. Application of the term can be wide, having been applied over the centuries in different languages, to various groups, and its use is usually based on a perception that the target group's views are "disease-like," or that such groups exist out of sociological balance with the common society."

And keep in mind who's the hateful one here.

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Vermin is over the top, but then, that's the point of an article like that one. It's invective, but it's damned funny, and satisfying to those whom that man and his partners in crime have been victimizing for decades.

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What's the difference between Phelps' theology and Falwell's?

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Even Falwell criticised Phelps for "protesting" at others funerals so Phelps said God hated him too. Guy's even more psycho than Falwell was, check this out:

"The Amish children from Pennsylvania are even now in hell. Stop spreading the lie that they were innocent. They were just as degenerate and deserving of hell as the pervert who killed them. You get what you deserve, America! You raised these murderous beasts and perverted their minds, and now you act surprised? As long as you people try to stop us, you will be punished, just as Pharaoh was punished when he would not let God's people go (Ex. 12:30). Gov. Ed Rendell brought this down on you, get mad at him, not us!"

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... Then try the same thing and add that you are the Rev. Jim-Bob Vermin"

from Wikipedia:
"The term [vermin]...often considered social parasites...are "disease-like," or that such groups exist out of sociological balance with the common society."

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The discovery of the carcass of Jerry Falwell on the floor of an obscure office in Virginia has almost zero significance, except perhaps for two categories of the species labeled "credulous idiot." The first such category consists of those who expected Falwell (and themselves) to be bodily raptured out of the biosphere and assumed into the heavens, leaving pilotless planes and driverless trucks and taxis to crash with their innocent victims as collateral damage. This group is so stupid and uncultured that it may perhaps be forgiven. It is so far "left behind" that almost its only pleasure is to gloat at the idea of others being abandoned in the same condition.

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This opinion peice would have worked so much better if old Chris hadn't expressed support for George W. Bush. If Hitch had stood up and faught the power after 9/11, I might be able to take his attack on Fartwell seriously, but Hitchens got into bed with the most powerful fundamentalist in America. He now has zero credibility when it comes to issues like this.

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Originally posted by EriKtheHalfaRed:
Wow.

"Today, the church has 24,000 members and the annual revenues of all of his ministries total more than $200 million, according to his biography on Liberty University's Web site."

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[Bailey Smith:] "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew."

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O Lord, in honour of this great international working class holiday, I pray that Thy humble servant Jerry be returned to Thy bosom post haste. Amen.

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Why don't Baptists fuck standing up?
Leads to dancing

I guess gluttony and avarice weren't big on his list of sins....

I wish there were a hell so he could roast in it....

Gee.... what does Jello Biafra have to say 'bout this?

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Moral Majority
Dead Kennedys
(1981)

You call yourself the moral majority
We call ourselves the people in the real world
Trying to rub us out, but were going to survive
God must be dead if youre alive

You say, god loves you. come and buy the good news
Then you buy the president and swimming pools
If jesus dont save til were lining your pockets
God must be dead if youre alive

Circus-tent con-men and southern belle bunnies
Milk your emotions then they steal your money
Its the new dark ages with the fascists toting bibles
Cheap nostalgia for the salem witch trials

Stodgy ayatollahs in their dobble-knit ties
Burn lots of books so they can feed you their lies
Masturbating with a flag and a bible
God must be dead if youre alive

Blow it out your ass, jerry falwell
Blow it out your ass, jesse helms
Blow it out your ass, ronald reagan
Whats wrong with a mind of my own?

You dont want abortions, you want battered children
You want to ban the pill as if that solves the problem
Now you wanna force us to pray in school
God must be dead if youre such a fool

Youre planning for a war with or without iran
Building a police state with the ku klux klan
Pissed at your neighbour? dont bother to nag
Pick up the phone and turn in a fag

Blow it out your ass, terry dolan
Blow it out your ass, phyllis schlafly
Ram it ** **** ****, anita
Cos God must be dead
If youre alive
God must be dead
If youre alive

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"If you gave Falwell an enema, he'd be buried in a matchbox" Christopher Hitchens on Hannity & Colmes last night.

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if only the world were such a tinker toy of unambiguity

gandhi said some funny stuff about blacks when he was young, king was unfaithful, hitchens is a reprehensible drunken idiot with sloppy research who has allowed his zeal against religious idiocy allow him to climb into bed with US imperialism, bill maher says a lot of stuff which is gross and offensive

but i can still laugh at maher when he calls bush a stupid moron on national tv or root for hitchens when he goes after kissinger or falwell.

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I'm not sure what he is a "traitor" to, but I am sure its something so CERTAINLY TRUE that disagreement is not only wrong, it's HERESY.

Anyway, let's ask "unionist" to point to any writing HE'S done which is as worthwhile as this bit from Hitchens on Falwell:

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Seeking to deflect the charge of anti-Jewish prejudice, Falwell adopted the cause of the most thuggish and demented Israeli settlers, proclaiming that their occupation of the West Bank and Gaza was a holy matter and hoping that they might help to bring on Armageddon and the return of the Messiah. A detail in this ghastly narrative, as adepts of the "Left Behind" series will know, is that the return of the risen Christ will require the mass slaughter or mass conversion of all Jews.

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I'm not sure what he is a "traitor" to, but I am sure its something so CERTAINLY TRUE that disagreement is not only wrong, it's HERESY.

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Anyway, let's ask "unionist" to point to any writing HE'S done which is as worthwhile as this bit from Hitchens on Falwell:

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Tough assignment. I'm just a trade-unionist, not a high-paid sycophantic scribe of the billionaire U.S. press. But here goes:

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Seeking to deflect the charge of anti-Left prejudice, Hitchens adopted the cause of the most thuggish and demented neo-con imperialists, proclaiming that their occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan was a holy matter and hoping that they might help to bring on Liberty and the return of Democracy. A detail in this ghastly narrative, as adepts of the "Gauche Derrière" series will know, is that the return of the U.S.-style "democracy" will require the mass slaughter or mass conversion of all Iraqis and Afghans.

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Originally posted by minkepants:

but i can still laugh at maher when he calls bush a stupid moron on national tv or root for hitchens when he goes after kissinger or falwell.

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In your nuanced approach to the world, you must also enjoy Dubya's down-home style and Falwell's sincerity?

And I'll bet you cheer on Harper when he roasts Dion, and vice versa?

God I wish I could aspire to such subtlety.

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well, except for you of course. ooooooh I'm secretly right wing! GOOD one. What's wrong? Couldn't find any forbidden speech in my post? Better run tell mummy.

I'll put you in the boring hectoring pile, kay?

and dont triple post. it's obnoxious

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Subject to editing, how did I do - scale of 1 to 10?

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Do you have a link to the rest of your article?

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Ballicks to you, you juvinile, mysoginist twit!

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that should read

Bollocks to you, you juvenile, misogynist twit.

three for three. Good job!

Please identify the misogyny. (A Ha! Forbidden Speech! Hooray!). Please identify the maturity in the epithet "bollocks."

anyway, don't bother. It was strictly a rhetorical request. That's enough poo flinging for me.

Hypersensitive anyone?

Nice clique

Nice high school.

Thank goodness I didnt disagree with an old soldier who's done their duty. (Check your latin). That really IS forbidden.

I'll go eat my lunch over there

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But nah, I won't. No worries. Yeah, I'll still ill, but I'm not in pain anymore - I am on a pretty strong painkiller that's doing the trick.

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Michael Coren had an especially loathsome column in today's Winnipeg Sun lavishly praising Falwell. The column reminded me of that scene in The Exorcist when Linda Blair heaved a stream of vomit into the face of a Priest. It had a certain disgusting fascination ... like gawking at a car wreck or a horrific accident.

Fortunately, I didn't have to pay for the paper. It was in my local coffee shop.

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I read Coren's whitewash of Falwell's legacy. Wow, what universe does Coren live in?

Coren compares Falwell with Clinton:

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August 1980: After Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith tells a Dallas Religious Right gathering that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” Falwell gives a similar view. “I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.”After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the prayers of all persons…. God hears everything.”

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July 1984: Falwell is forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle. During a TV debate in Sacramento, Falwell denied calling the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches “brute beasts” and “a vile and Satanic system” that will “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.” When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could produce it. Sloan did so, Falwell refused to pay and Sloan successfully sued. Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an additional $2,875 in sanctions and court fees.

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March 1993: Despite his promise to Jewish groups to stop referring to America as a “Christian nation,” Falwell gives a sermon saying, “We must never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours.”

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January 1999: Falwell tells a pastors’ conference in Kingsport, Tenn., that the Antichrist prophesied in the Bible is alive today and “of course he’ll be Jewish.”

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On Tuesday afternoon after hearing the news, I sent email messages to both Liberty University as well as Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg (Falwell's home base of hate), asking if there was any possibility of being listed as a formal "Endorser" of "Supporter" of the funeral itself.

I expressed that I am strongly in support of this event, have been awaiting it's occurance for many years, and would like to have my endorsement of the proceedings noted. I also asked for the advertising rates to take out a small congratulatory ad in any church bulletin or other printed materials which might be circulated at the funeral itself.

Strangely, as of this writing, I have yet to receive a reply from either organization.

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My attempt at a positive comment: It takes a special person to inspire such unanimity.

EDIT: OK, this lefty site (the same one where I got the nasty quotes posted above) claims to have a couple of "positive" quotes from Falwell:

If we ever opened a meeting with a prayer, silent or otherwise, we would disintegrate.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, address to the Religious Newswriters Association in New Orleans, explaining why Moral Majority meetings do not open with prayer. People for the American Way says it has yet to find anyone who has made a stronger case against the proposed school prayer Constitutional amendment. Cal Thomas, director of communications for Moral Majority, said his group did not open meetings with prayer because it is a political organization that includes Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Protestants, and some "non-religious" members. "What kind of prayer would we use?" he asked. Quoted from "Falwell Arms the Opposition," San Francisco Chronicle, September 19, 1982.

I feel most ministers who claim they've heard God's voice are eating too much pizza before they go to bed at night, and it's really an intestinal disorder, not a revelation.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

As an avid consumer of late-night pizza, I have yet to hear the voice of God, but still, maybe somewhere behind that quote is a reasonable person struggling to get out. Or maybe that's why it is "attributed: source unknown".

[ 21 May 2007: Message edited by: Albireo ]

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it is quite telling that there is not one defender of Falwell in this thread.

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