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Noise
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posted 06 July 2006 01:32 PM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This came up when discussing the existance of several unisex names and how first names usually represent sex... Then a couple rather sexist comments that I won't repeat.

So I was wondering if I could get the feminist point of view on this discussion (heh, instead of me assuming what the feminist view would be)... What are the thoughts on naming (er.. labelling?) based on gender? Is the labelling of male and female based on ones name something that should be questioned? Would it be helpful if we couldn't assume someones sex based on their name?

(srry if this question has came up before, I couldn't find it with a search)


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erroneousrebelrouser
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posted 06 July 2006 03:01 PM      Profile for erroneousrebelrouser   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hehehehe, funny topic, noise. And this very thing has come up before, on another site; much to the gender benders discontent.

I just think if someone goes out of their way to post MANLY and chooses a really butch, hair on the back and and all over the body nick name that they're probably female; afraid to post proudly that they're femme because they might be considered to be less intelligent that their male counterparts.

Now that I think of it; how funny. And it makes me angry that another woman would believe that she would see herself in such a poor perspective just because of her gender. It was really very sad, actually.

However --It has been mentioned before lots of times though; and when the culprit was actually exposed he/she went a scratching and fighting and causing an awful mess about it... and accusing people of letting his/her little 'secret' out. IMO: you would only have to read the posts to see that "he" was a "she." And it didn't take a rocket scientist. I Never did get that one. I am proud of my femininity but I'm gay anyway so it even pissed me off more.

Anyway this one ended up getting banned and not for that; she borrowed money from a number of unsuspecting friends (and I use that term loosely) targeting each of us with a do or die kind of thing; I'll kill myself or something like that if you don't send several hundred dollars western union today; oh she was a crafty one, a real devil in a blue dress. By the time it all came out it was hard to believe how much money she had taken us all for. From now on I'll support a site I believe in; but I'll never send money to someone that I don't really know. Neither should anyone else.

Duh.


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Noise
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posted 06 July 2006 03:16 PM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm, I think you may have missed my question I'm not asking in regards to internet nicknames... I'm talking about real life names. The conversation was in reference to a pair of Kelly's I work with, one male and one female.

During that convo, it came up about what if everyone had gender unspecific names in life... and that got me thinking what the impacts of gender specific names has on our society. Note this post

[ 06 July 2006: Message edited by: Noise ]


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erroneousrebelrouser
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posted 06 July 2006 03:23 PM      Profile for erroneousrebelrouser   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, Okay thanks for pointing that one out. Well, in real life, I know a lot of Marcie's that are named Mark and Larry's that ultimately change their names to Lori. Born with it; as far as I can tell. Sorry to have gotten mixed up! I thought you were referring to internet nick names, or monickers or whatever you will.
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bigcitygal
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posted 06 July 2006 03:39 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's an old "Sylvia" cartoon, by Nicole Hollander, in which Sylvia talks back to the t.v. all the time.

TV Reporter: Studies have shown that women with "feminine" names like "Dolly" or "Tricia" get less respect and get paid less than women with names like...

Sylvia: ...Rod or Dave


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500_Apples
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posted 06 July 2006 03:47 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read a study on this a while back. From the vague details I recall, when selecting their children's names, parents will often pick "strong" names for boys such as Michael, Richard, that look good on a resume. Equivalents for girls' names might be Catherine, Jennifer, Dominique... what they found was that when naming their young daughters, there was a far greater variety of names.
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morningstar
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posted 07 July 2006 05:04 AM      Profile for morningstar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i think that names can impart a history, a reflection of the family that you are from, even a kind of magic to carry with you throughout your lifetime.
i had a hard time living up to my first name when i was young and then it felt fraudulent--like a disguise for years. eventually i grew into it and i now wear it well.
i was very concious of how i named my 3 kids.---i had to know them for a while first.
names are important.
i would have never chosen a unisex name for that reason. why blend the sexes of children and pretend that little guys are just like little girls?[or v.versa]
our differences are a blessing.
our first names carry our energy like few other things in life.

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Stargazer
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posted 07 July 2006 07:37 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My grandson has a unisex name, and consequently he is always mistaken for a she (until they see him). The name was picked because it is a good Scottish name. No more and no less, although I do suspect he'll have problems in school later and will end up shortening his name from Mackenzie to Mac.

I love the name, and even it is is unisex, I think it's great that parents don't necessarily need to push for more masculine or feminine ideals through traditionally feminine or masculine names.


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erroneousrebelrouser
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posted 08 July 2006 03:29 PM      Profile for erroneousrebelrouser   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
that's funny! I'd hate for that name to be shortened too because I think it's almost regal; I love the name. And it's unique, too; which make me like it better.

I was thinking about names while reading other's posts and thinking that I had chosen an "Andy" for my son; the middle name because his first name is Christopher. Thinking that masculine enough; but since I've discovered that there are many female Christophers. Who knew? There are also many female "Andys." I hope he doesn't read this. Actually I think I am safe because he spends all of his time on MySpace, Sakuramb.com, BZPower, NewGrounds, and FlashPlayer, ect. I think my posts are safe here. LOL


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Yst
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posted 08 July 2006 04:17 PM      Profile for Yst     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As far as naming possibilities for females go, I've always been fond of a variety of Anglo-Saxon names (though I have little Anglo-Saxon ancestry myself). The Anglo-Saxons seem to have had a unique tendency to name their girls things that we would not consider 'girly'. Names like Seaxburh (lit. blade fort). Or Beaduhild (lit. slaughter-battle), daughter of (her mother) Niþhad (lit. inclination toward strife, boldness). Along less war-like lines but still linguistically Anglo-Saxon, I have a grandmother Mildred (lit. "good counsel", the meaning of which is shared by a number of male Anglo-Saxon names), which name I have always liked, as it possesses more or less gender neutral meaning, a feminine short form, "Millie" if desired, and a full pronunciation which is in no way constricted by presumptions of femininity or masculinity. Certainly, one category to avoid if possible is names which cannot effectively be shortened or modified within the bounds of the language of the speaker to suit the desires of the person named.
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