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unionist
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posted 11 July 2008 07:43 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BBC News

Here are the close friends of the suffering African people who wanted the U.N. to interfere in the internal affairs of Zimbabwe:

Belgium
Burkina Faso
Costa Rica
Croatia
France
Italy
Panama
UK
United States

And here are the bad countries which want to see the suffering of the African people continue:

China (vetoed)
Libya
Russia (vetoed)
South Africa
Vietnam

Indonesia abstained.

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The US ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad, said Russia's veto raised "questions about its reliability as a G8 partner".

A BBC correspondent at the UN says the failure of the resolution is a major blow for the United States and Britain.


Indeed.


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Fidel
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posted 11 July 2008 07:57 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like the evol empire is backsliding on democracy again. It doesn't look good. Could be time for another coalition of thirdworld capitalist hellholes and a few former Gladio allies to pass the flickering flame to from failing hands.

[ 11 July 2008: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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Doug
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posted 19 July 2008 03:29 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Meanwhile, things in Zimbabwe are just getting silly:

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Zimbabwe is to introduce a bank-note worth Z$100bn in response to rampant inflation - but the note will barely cover the cost of two loaves of bread.

Some Zimbabweans are already calling for higher denominations in a country where the official annual inflation rate has exceeded 2,200,000%...."Nowadays, for my expenses a day, I need about Z$500 billion," one resident said.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7515823.stm

They're going to have to start using scientific notation on their money soon.


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posted 19 July 2008 04:27 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

They're going to have to start using scientific notation on their money soon.

Economic hit men and screaming economies

Two bit political opposition and erstwhile oppressors

The Dirty Operation Against Zimbabwe: Soros, Abramoff, and British Africa


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posted 20 July 2008 01:44 AM      Profile for skarredmunkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Lyndon Larouche PAC, Fidel?

Seriously?

Mmmkay... but for those of us who don't want Western imposed sanctions but still recognize Mugabe for what he really is, here is the progressive view from COSATU/ZCTU (also here, here), and the Green Left Weekly (Australian).

[ 20 July 2008: Message edited by: skarredmunkey ]


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posted 20 July 2008 07:32 AM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How much trade does Zimbabwe do with the "West"?
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posted 20 July 2008 08:00 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's been rather a lot of "Western" investment in the Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) sector, mostly for political reasons of regime change. However, the funding of this has been, at least in part, clandestine and, therefore, only the most general conclusions can be made.
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posted 20 July 2008 10:55 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skarredmunkey:
The Lyndon Larouche PAC, Fidel?

Seriously?


Sure, he's talked about the "currently onrushing catastrophic collapse" of the banking and financial system for some time. Several empires actually collapsed after WWI, then a few more after WWII, then the USSR in 1990. And now the USSA is looking ripe on the vine. Larouche is more credible than any of the "thundering nitwits" running the show today. Besides, he's 86 years old and can speak freely about the succession of kleptocracies which have deliberately bankrupted America.

Here's what Dambuzo Mapuranga had to say about MDC and powerful white neocolonial influences interfering in Zimbabwe's electoral democracy:

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To quote Thornycroft, “… when the MDC started in 2000 what a pity that they were addressing people in Sandton mostly white people in Sandton north of Johannesburg instead of being in Dar es Salam or Ghana or Abuja. They failed to make contact with Africa for so long, they were in London, we’ve seen it again, Morgan Tsvangirai’s just been in America.”

The kith and kin element will always haunt Tsvangirai on his dark road to the State House. Foot-in-mouth Blair in 2004 made it clear where Tsvangirai’s allegiances lay when he proclaimed that he was working with the MDC to bring about regime change in Zimbabwe.


The white devils are not even careful about expressing their intentions to interfere in Zimbabwe politically.

Can you imagine Cuba and China funding Nader in the U.S. and NDP here in Canada to the dollar tune of making a similar impact on North American elections? It wouldn't be tolerated. U.S. hawks and Canadian stooges would probably think it an act of war.

[ 20 July 2008: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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posted 21 July 2008 12:19 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Check out these pictures of Mugabe's home in Harare. You can see that he is a real "man of the people"!!



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posted 21 July 2008 12:22 PM      Profile for reglafella     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most Zimbabweans are billionaires. My guess is that that could be any Zimbabwean's home.
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posted 21 July 2008 01:06 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who's his interior designer? They should be taken out and shot.
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posted 21 July 2008 01:22 PM      Profile for reglafella     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Start a rumour that they attended a MDC meeting and you'll more than likely see that come true.
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posted 21 July 2008 01:40 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Prolly designed and built for rich white people originally.
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posted 21 July 2008 01:57 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I doubt it...the British gin and tonic colonial crowd don't tend to have such gaudy taste.
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posted 21 July 2008 02:03 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They said the same things about Stalin and Soviets living in rennovated Tsarist mansions. I think the Tsar had about 30 summer and winter palaces to entertain blue bloods and loyal hangers on in a style of grand opulence even other Euro royals were unaccustomed to.

Meanwhile there's child slavery and holocaust of millions going on the Democratic Republic of Congo, and with U.S. proxies Uganda and Rwanda lending helping hands on that humanitarian project


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posted 21 July 2008 02:21 PM      Profile for skarredmunkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mugabe and Tsvangirai agree to hold talks on power-sharing arrangement (BBC)

This is a good first start, and it was brokered by Thabo Mbeki, and helped by diplomats from the AU, SADC, and the UN.


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posted 21 July 2008 02:21 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
They said the same things about Stalin and Soviets living in renovated Tsarist mansions.

Good! They were right to say that!!!


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posted 21 July 2008 02:32 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:

Good! They were right to say that!!!


They said it all throughout the cold war and at times when U.S. soldiers and scumbag mercenary hirelings were levelling and firebombing villages, schools and hospitals from Mi Lai and Phnom Pehn to El Mozote and San Juan de Limay.

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posted 21 July 2008 02:51 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At the same time as Soviet proxies were doing the same thing elsewhere. So what else is new, the Cold War sucked.
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posted 21 July 2008 03:00 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:
At the same time as Soviet proxies were doing the same thing elsewhere. So what else is new, the Cold War sucked.

They didn't bomb 25 countries after Nagasaki and Hiroshima, or wage a 30 year-long dirty war in Latin America.

According to one American economist, the Soviets weren't the ones directly responsible for murdering anywhere from 10 to 12 million people, or of causing the deaths of over 100 million more human beings by economic hitmen who forced disasterous economy policies on thirdworld capitalist nations in perpetual states of developing country status.


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posted 21 July 2008 05:50 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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After she woke in the dark to sweep city streets, after she walked an hour to buy less than $2 worth of food, after she cooked for two hours in the searing noon heat, Fanta Lingani served her family's only meal of the day.

First she set out a bowl of corn mush, seasoned with tree leaves, dried fish and wood ashes, for the 11 smallest children, who tore into it with bare hands.

Then she set out a bowl for her husband. Then two bowls for a dozen older children. Then finally, after everyone else had finished, a bowl for herself. She always eats last.

A year ago, before food prices nearly doubled, Lingani would have had three meals a day of meat, rice and vegetables. Now two mouthfuls of bland mush would have to do her until tomorrow.

Rubbing her red-rimmed eyes, chewing lightly on a twig she picked off the ground, Lingani gave the last of her food to the children.

"I'm not hungry," she said.



This is not Zimbabwe, but it is Africa

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I wonder how many could be fed from Mugabe's multi-billion dollar personal fortune - all stolen from the treasury of his country.
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Oh, Mugabe is now Saddam. I guess next we'll learn he has rape rooms.

To me, the emphasis on Zimbabwe and Mugabe when so much of Africa is suffering lays bare just how full of shit most Westerners are. We really don't give a shit about Africa but here we are jumping on the this week's bad guy bandwagon.

Go eat some chips, Stockholm. I'm sure you won't give another thought to starving Africans ... unless their from Zimbabwe and put on CNN to prove Mugabe is Satan. And then you'll care for all of thirty seconds.

[ 21 July 2008: Message edited by: Frustrated Mess ]


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If you think that not enough attention is being paid to what's going on in other African countries then the solution is not to pay less attention to Zimbabwe - its to pay MORE attention to other countries. It isn't a zero sum game.

I don't hear you complaining about all the attention paid to Israel when there are such atrocities being committed in Saudi Arabia and Syria that no one talks about.


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posted 21 July 2008 06:13 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The democratic monarchy of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc are bastions of human rights pluses and freedom. They're our friends.

Syria, Cuba, N. Korea, Iran, Zimbabwe etc are the evol empire. Stay focussed people


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posted 21 July 2008 06:37 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't it an insult to Cuba to mention it in the same sentence with a fascist dictatorship like Zimbabwe?
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I'm looking at it strictly from a NATO-vicious empire perspective.
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posted 21 July 2008 07:07 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:

To me, the emphasis on Zimbabwe and Mugabe when so much of Africa is suffering lays bare just how full of shit most Westerners are. We really don't give a shit about Africa but here we are jumping on the this week's bad guy bandwagon.

Zimbabwe has gone from, if you will, the best of the worst - a high income, well-fed country for sub-Saharan Africa - to somewhere that's only above the worst of the worst because it isn't at war. Even in relative African terms, Robert Mugabe has done an awful job. Botswana has surpassed it to become a middle-income country. Another of its neighbours, Zambia, is doing better on improved copper prices.


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When was post-British Zimbabwe ever a well-fed country on the road to riches?

Where has neoLiberal worked anywhere to do anything but pauperize and destabilize?

Look at the U.S. itself after years of dregulation and privatizations since Raygun. They're a basket case on the road to serfdom.

Today, 35 million Americans are food insecure - 25 million receive food stamps - and hundreds of rural communities have no basic services.

Their New Deal socialist era infrastructure is falling apart, and Americans cant work enough hours in the year to pay Warshington's bills. And its because too many high value jobs have been offshored to the developing world in order that corporate America can slide out of paying American wages and taxes in support of their own society

They need American-style New Deal socialism, which is proven to work right there in the land of what used to be plenty, but this time for countries like Zimbabwe.

NeoLiberal is economic sabotage, a proven econ atrocity for hundreds of millions of people since start of the 1990's.

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posted 21 July 2008 07:44 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
When was post-British Zimbabwe ever a well-fed country on the road to riches?

When Mugabe took over in 1979 - back then it was referred to as the "breadbasket of Africa" - then Mugabe ran it into the ground.


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NeoLiberal wasn't working any better for Mugabe than it did for any other country where tried on for size over an extended period of time.

We know, they were ALL just bad leaders in dozens of countries who couldn't follow perfectly good instructions drafted by perfectly good white people, most of whom had no financial interests in those countries opened up to global real estate speculation and capitalist jackals. It's like the fishing story of the one that got away ... all the time every time!


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[Zimbabwe rival leaders sign historic deal to share power

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On Monday, Mbeki introduced Mugabe as president, Tsvangirai as prime minister and Arthur Mutambara, leader of a smaller opposition faction, as deputy prime minister moments before the three signed the document.

Leaders of the 14-member South African Development Community and the African Union were present at Monday's ceremony.

Under the deal, Mugabe retains control of the military while Tsvangirai controls the police.

Tsvangirai will head a council of ministers that will supervise the cabinet, Mugabe is to chair the cabinet, with Tsvangirai as vice-chair. ...

The cabinet would have 31 members. Mugabe's Zimbabwe African National Union-Patriotic Front, or ZANU-PF, would have 15 cabinet seats, while Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change would have 16 and a splinter MDC faction three seats.



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posted 15 September 2008 07:39 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You mean 8 babble threads of fulminating about the elections were all a waste of time?

Gee, who knew?


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Fidel
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Another country that needs a modern electoral system. I believe Zanu-PF would have won had it been proportional.
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Those of you defending Zimbabwe do realize their government has been printing so much money it's beyond all proportion? The Reserve Bank just cut ten zeros off the currency and this was the third such redenomination in two years.

In short the Zimbabwean government has made life difficult for many of the people it is claiming to try and defend, so there is a small problem here, hmm?


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What would you prefer to power-sharing, Doc? A blood bath among Africans? Surrender by one side or the other? Zimbabweans aren't killing each other right now, it seems to me, and that's a good thing.

The conduct of the Bretton Woods institutions, the IMF and so on, prepared the ground for the insane inflation in Zim. Will these financial institutions reduce the pressure after they've got their pound of flesh? We've yet to see.


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