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Topic: European court allows school segregation of Roma
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unionist
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posted 17 July 2008 04:09 PM
Croatia wins in Roma pupils case quote:
The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that Croatia did not discriminate against Roma pupils by putting them in separate, all-Roma classes at school.The children, now aged between 14 and 20, said they suffered psychologically and practically, as they were taught only a third of the curriculum. But the court said they were separated only until their language improved. A BBC correspondent says the ruling could have an impact on many countries in Central and Eastern Europe. In Croatia, as in many east European countries, it is common practice for Roma (Gypsies) to be placed in either special classes, or in some cases, in special schools. ... Anita Danka of the European Roma Rights Centre in Budapest, which worked closely on the case, expressed disappointment at the judgement. It reveals that the Court of Human Rights "was not able to see that segregated education can have a variety of manifestations", she told the BBC, "including segregation within mainstream schools".
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It's Me D
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posted 18 July 2008 08:07 AM
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Good grief!! We do that here in Canada! It's called ESL (English as a Second Language) schooling.
Do we do that here? I know that education differs from province to province but according to Ontario's Ministry of Education the only time when ESL students in elementary education are to be segregated from their classmates or receive a substantially reduced version of the general curriculum is those who require "intensive support" (who are in the early stages of learning English as a second language and/or who have had limited educational opportunities). Even concerning this group Ontario's Ministry of Education says "at least a part of the day should be spent with English-speaking peers in a regular classroom program." Source Document If this is the nature of the Italian program for the Roma who have difficulty speaking Italian I have no issue with it; I have gotten the impression there are some difference though.
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scooter
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posted 18 July 2008 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by It's Me D:
If this is the nature of the Italian program for the Roma who have difficulty speaking Italian I have no issue with it; I have gotten the impression there are some difference though.
I think unionist is tilting at windmills on this one.Most educational programs do not expect you to learn a new language and a full course load at once. That is a recipe for failure. quote:
Originally posted by It's Me D:
"at least a part of the day should be spent with English-speaking peers in a regular classroom program."
Great idea but obviously they do things in Italy a little differently. Viva la difference!
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posted 18 July 2008 09:42 AM
1. Why are we talking about Italians? Is this silly Friday or something?2. Roma (that is, the ones not exterminated by Hitler and his collaborators during WWII) are the object of vicious discrimination, racist violence and segregation in many countries, especially (but certainly not exclusively) eastern Europe. 3. Scooter (if he actually cares) might want to inform himself about their situation - one source is here. Contrary to his cynicism about tilting at windmills, it is the Roma who are waging this struggle, not me. I just thought babblers might wish to know about this situation. 4. Roma have won struggles against segregated education in Greece, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Denmark, etc. Who knew that they were actually shooting themselves in the foot, when they could have adopted some (non-existent) Canadian ESL model? 5. Children who come to Canada are not an inferior race. They learn English (or French) in the streets and the schoolyards, and they learn it really really fast. In school, they must all learn the same curriculum as everyone else. It's a really simply principle. [ 18 July 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]
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unionist
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posted 18 July 2008 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by It's Me D:
Unionist are you saying that ESL students in Canadian primary education are not segregated and do not miss out on a significant amount of the curriculum?
I have no clue. If they are missing out on any of the curriculum, then this system is rotten and racist and must stop. Let me know if that is the case. quote:
I understand the Roma are discriminated against but of course so are Canada's many minority groups.
I'm talking about sending children of a particular ethnic group to separate classes and separate schools against the wishes of the community. This compares only to the treatment of Aboriginal in residential schools. Not a good model. What do you think?
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I know who the Roma are; I have no idea why I thought this article referred to education practices in Italy rather than Croatia. I did already plead ignorance of the educational issues involved but now I feel really dumb! Although, Italy and Croatia aren't that far apart, at least not by Canadian standards... 
